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Author: drebbin Big gold star, 5000 posts Old School Fool Add to my Favorite Fools Ignore this person (you won't see their posts anymore) Number: of 134153  
Subject: 0bama's 2nd debate Date: 10/4/2012 5:24 PM
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He's figured out a way to perform better in the next debate: http://tinyurl.com/9q7ano2
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Subject: Re: 0bama's 2nd debate Date: 10/4/2012 7:49 PM
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My impression is that it took almost 15 minutes before the President realized his preparatory debate program with Kerry (who served in Viet Nam) was nothing like what he was experiencing with Mitt Romney. I believe Romney got that and knew he’d have the President on the verbal ropes. Which, at about the 15 minute mark, it began to show.

At this point the President became flustered realizing his talking points were ammunition being used against him. Pre-debate exercises with Kerry (did I say he served in Viet Nam?) were so off base the President was left hanging like a chad in the wind.

My guess is Kerry (a Viet Nam vet) in the pre-debate training tossed responses so the President could lob back his favored talking points and then in doing so believed he was ready for the debate. I am sure there were high fives as the President creamed Kerry (served in Viet Nam) on each raised topic.

The next debate will be interesting if the President has a pre-debate interaction with someone aiming body blows. There may be a chance of this if they can find someone who can cut a jugular but my guess is no one at this stage wants to make the President angry by pointing out holes.

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Subject: Re: 0bama's 2nd debate Date: 10/4/2012 8:28 PM
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The next debate will be interesting if the President has a pre-debate interaction with someone aiming body blows. There may be a chance of this if they can find someone who can cut a jugular but my guess is no one at this stage wants to make the President angry by pointing out holes.


There's also the problem that he can't get Romney's experience in two week's time. And in the meantime, he's going to have to campaign.

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Author: drebbin Big gold star, 5000 posts Old School Fool Add to my Favorite Fools Ignore this person (you won't see their posts anymore) Number: 106830 of 134153
Subject: Re: 0bama's 2nd debate Date: 10/4/2012 9:48 PM
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katinga: There's also the problem that he can't get Romney's experience in two week's time.

John Sununu sees a bigger problem for 0bama. Enjoy the whole thing, or skip forward to the 2:45 mark for the money quote.

http://www.therightscoop.com/boom-goes-sununu-the-obama-you-...

When you're not that bright, you can't get better prepared.

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Subject: Re: 0bama's 2nd debate Date: 10/4/2012 10:14 PM
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http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2012/10/the-boredom-of...

Powerline makes the point that liberals think that if they think it, it's true. They are post-partisan because there is no other viewpoint than their own. They are fundamentally boring.

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Subject: Re: 0bama's 2nd debate Date: 10/4/2012 11:31 PM
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My impression is that it took almost 15 minutes before the President realized his preparatory debate program with Kerry (who served in Viet Nam) was nothing like what he was experiencing with Mitt Romney. I believe Romney got that and knew he’d have the President on the verbal ropes. Which, at about the 15 minute mark, it began to show.
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Sorry Michael,

I have to disagree.

I say that because the very first question he did not answer, the FIRST question he filibustered and went off course.

He was totally unprepared, and it had nothing to do with Kerry. He was unprepared, because he was simply lazy. He thought he would win it, and that would be good enough.

That is what he does on every single issue. So that should be no surprise. I think Obama is likely someone we have all worked with, capable and promoted until the fact he just does not work hard enough blows up.

The debate was a perfect metaphor for his presidency. Unprepared lousy results and an effort to find others at fault.

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Author: drebbin Big gold star, 5000 posts Old School Fool Add to my Favorite Fools Ignore this person (you won't see their posts anymore) Number: 106846 of 134153
Subject: Re: 0bama's 2nd debate Date: 10/5/2012 9:00 AM
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lowstudent: He was totally unprepared, and it had nothing to do with Kerry. He was unprepared, because he was simply lazy. He thought he would win it, and that would be good enough.

I am not defending him here, but...in the past, that has always been enough. I don't blame him for assuming it would be again. Further, he made no major mistakes, did he? None that I can recall. I thought some of his stuff was not very strong, but he sure didn't embarrass himself. His level of performance was good enough to have hung with or beaten just about every Presidential candidate debate performance we've seen over the past 20 years. The problem was, Romney just nailed it. Either that, or it was the altitude.

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Subject: Re: 0bama's 2nd debate Date: 10/5/2012 10:07 AM
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Unprepared lousy results and an effort to find others at fault.

I find it interesting that the only thing at which Obama puts in consistent effort is scapegoating.

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Subject: Re: 0bama's 2nd debate Date: 10/5/2012 10:48 AM
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I am not defending him here, but...in the past, that has always been enough. I don't blame him for assuming it would be again. Further, he made no major mistakes, did he? None that I can recall. I thought some of his stuff was not very strong, but he sure didn't embarrass himself. His level of performance was good enough to have hung with or beaten just about every Presidential candidate debate performance we've seen over the past 20 years. The problem was, Romney just nailed it. Either that, or it was the altitude.
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I have only seen him against an unarmed man as far as debates go, when he went against McCain

But, that said, it remains he was woefully unprepared. He could neither defend his own record or expound on his 'superior' vision in response to Romney's vision, nor could he expound on the faults he himself pointed out with Romney's statements.


It was an ugly lack of knowledge that was the President's problem. Was it bad debate prep? Well IMO actually no, I think he actually clearly displayed he was not prepared to 'president' more clearly than he was not prepared to debate. If the only problem were rebutting Romney, it would still be bad, but he could not back up his own information.

Frankly anyone he could lose a debate to, does not deserve to be President if this is what level of knowledge he brings to the table.

My only fear for the next debate is that the Town hall format is more of a sound Byte format, and one where it is a lot easier to protect a candidate. The good news is, there is only 2 weeks, and my guess is Obama is starting from scratch and has no idea of the facts over the last year or so.

I think Obama really opened a couple of problematic fronts for himself, the least of which is folks taking a more honest look at Romney. The bigger problem is folks taking a =more honest look at Obama

Obama has run a campaign with the major emphasis that you must vote against a candidate. I personally believe that like in most instances, Obama and his team did not consider the unintended consequences of their actions.

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Author: drebbin Big gold star, 5000 posts Old School Fool Add to my Favorite Fools Ignore this person (you won't see their posts anymore) Number: 106866 of 134153
Subject: Re: 0bama's 2nd debate Date: 10/5/2012 10:56 AM
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lowstudent: It was an ugly lack of knowledge that was the President's problem. Was it bad debate prep? Well IMO actually no, I think he actually clearly displayed he was not prepared to 'president' more clearly than he was not prepared to debate. If the only problem were rebutting Romney, it would still be bad, but he could not back up his own information.

Yeah, I think Jon Stewart was basically right when he said 0bama ought to familiarize himself with his own presidency. That would help.

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Subject: Re: 0bama's 2nd debate Date: 10/5/2012 12:33 PM
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lowstudent wrote: He was totally unprepared, and it had nothing to do with Kerry. He was unprepared, because he was simply lazy. He thought he would win it, and that would be good enough.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124105013014171063.html

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, in a book out next week [May 2009], tells of congratulating freshman Sen. Obama on a phenomenal speech. Without a hint of conceit, Mr. Obama replied, "Harry, I have a gift."

Pfffft!

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Subject: Re: 0bama's 2nd debate Date: 10/5/2012 10:14 PM
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He was unprepared, because he was simply lazy. He thought he would win it, and that would be good enough.

A very common event with affirmative action students.

Just saying.

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