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Author: Ga1Dawg Big red star, 1000 posts Old School Fool Add to my Favorite Fools Ignore this person (you won't see their posts anymore) Number: of 11704  
Subject: 2012 Miata MX-5 Date: 8/21/2012 8:26 AM
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I looked at a new miata and discovered it does't have a dip stick for the transmission! No way to check the trans fluid!
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Author: xtn Big gold star, 5000 posts Old School Fool Add to my Favorite Fools Ignore this person (you won't see their posts anymore) Number: 11369 of 11704
Subject: Re: 2012 Miata MX-5 Date: 8/21/2012 8:34 AM
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Unless you tell me different, I'm going to assume the one you looked at has a manual transmission. They don't typically have dipsticks. They have a drain plug and a fill plug. Typically the correct oil level is to the bottom of the fill plug opening when the vehicle is level. The lack of a dipstick on a manual transmission is the norm and is nothing to be amazed by.

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Author: Ga1Dawg Big red star, 1000 posts Old School Fool Add to my Favorite Fools Ignore this person (you won't see their posts anymore) Number: 11370 of 11704
Subject: Re: 2012 Miata MX-5 Date: 8/21/2012 9:25 AM
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It shows I haven't shopped for a car in a long time :-}
I usually keep my cars 10+ years

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Subject: Re: 2012 Miata MX-5 Date: 8/21/2012 9:48 AM
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GM cars for the past few years have come without dip sticks for checking trans fluid. to paraphrase the manual: It is not necessary to check the transmission fluid level. A leak is the only reason for fluid loss.

FNO

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Subject: Re: 2012 Miata MX-5 Date: 8/21/2012 12:38 PM
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In a lot of cars, electronics check the level. If you don't trust the electronics........bummer.

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Subject: Re: 2012 Miata MX-5 Date: 8/21/2012 2:44 PM
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GM cars for the past few years have come without dip sticks for checking trans fluid. to paraphrase the manual: It is not necessary to check the transmission fluid level. A leak is the only reason for fluid loss.

Maybe they don't want owners noticing how the transmission is cooking the fluid to brown sludge until after the warranty. Part of the level check is inspecting the condition of the fluid.

Richard

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Subject: Re: 2012 Miata MX-5 Date: 8/21/2012 5:28 PM
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I looked at a new miata and discovered it does't have a dip stick for the transmission! No way to check the trans fluid!

The trans fluid dipstick for automatics is going the way of rear drum brakes, two point seatbelts, and eight-track tape players.

More and more automakers are eliminating, declaring the transmission "sealed" and maintenance free.

There is a growing cottage industry in the GM LS community for after market tranny dipsticks. I believe VW has all but completely eliminated them too.

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Subject: Re: 2012 Miata MX-5 Date: 8/21/2012 6:22 PM
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More and more automakers are eliminating, declaring the transmission "sealed" and maintenance free.

Also Chrysler. In that case, the complexity added by thermal expansion of the ATF requires a dipstick measurment, an ATF temperature measurement, and a graph that shows the proper fluid level vs temp line. This must have come about from shrinking the size of the pan for packaging and weight reductions.

My Charger has a fill tube with a simple screw-in plug. I check mine with an aftermarket dipstick after an all-night cool down so that the ATF temp is the same as the local air temp. It hasn't needed a top-up in 120,000 miles, so perhaps the "lifetime fill" claim isn't too far from reality.

Neil

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Subject: Re: 2012 Miata MX-5 Date: 8/21/2012 6:53 PM
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Also Chrysler. In that case, the complexity added by thermal expansion of the ATF requires a dipstick measurment, an ATF temperature measurement, and a graph that shows the proper fluid level vs temp line. This must have come about from shrinking the size of the pan for packaging and weight reductions.

My Charger has a fill tube with a simple screw-in plug. I check mine with an aftermarket dipstick after an all-night cool down so that the ATF temp is the same as the local air temp. It hasn't needed a top-up in 120,000 miles, so perhaps the "lifetime fill" claim isn't too far from reality.

Neil


The Commodore/G8 only has 25K miles on it after almost 3-1/2 years. I know, I should drive the car a lot more. It really is a joy to drive.

On my list of upgrades I want to do:

1) Pontiac G8 GXP LS3 trans cooler (bolt in)
2) Deep sump oil pan from the LS3 Camaro (bolts right on)
3) After market tranny dipstick

Never mind at 7K to 8K miles a year and living in a garage the G8 should last 20 years (and then any failures will likely be from plastics giving up or failed electronics, not because of worn mechanical bits) I figure all three of these are insurance policies to a long, happy life.

The Saturn on the other hand I hope can limp along until 2015. I see either a Buick Verano turbo with a manual or Gen II Chevy Volt in my future. My new commute is only 5 miles one way.

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