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As a Lions fan I am used to low moments, but it is hard to get lower than the Cards did today versus the Seahawks. They have lost nine in a row. However, since this a team comprised of professionals whose pride has no doubt been severely injured, I suspect that they'll beat the Lions next week, unless the coach has lost the locker room completely. It doesn't get much lower than 58-0.
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I didn't think this was possible in the NFL. In college football, you are fighting for rankings, and the imbalance between teams can be huge. So dominant teams run up the score.

But in the NFL, there's that "understanding" not to "embarrass" the other team. And teams are not that different in terms of skill....good grief. Not that I'm against it, but I didn't think this kind of a beating is possible.
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But in the NFL, there's that "understanding" not to "embarrass" the other team. And teams are not that different in terms of skill....good grief. Not that I'm against it, but I didn't think this kind of a beating is possible.

When you turn the ball over eight times.....
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But in the NFL, there's that "understanding" not to "embarrass" the other team. And teams are not that different in terms of skill....good grief. Not that I'm against it, but I didn't think this kind of a beating is possible.


The Cardinals are really that bad; believe it.
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"But in the NFL, there's that "understanding" not to "embarrass" the other team."

The Seahawks are in the thick of the play-off picture. If it comes down to point differential or scores between common opponents to effect a tie-breaker, they may need those points.... and if the Cards didn't like it, they should've stopped them.

~aj
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But in the NFL, there's that "understanding" not to "embarrass" the other team.

Pete Carroll is plenty used to being in games like this from his USC days. Some data points from the game:

- If not for a late-game offensive burst, the Cards' 8 turnovers would have outnumbered their first downs (10).
- Seattle attempted and made field goals in the 3rd quarter when leading 45-0 (4th and goal from the 10, with 7:47 remaining) and 48-0 (4th and 6 from the 14 , with 2:10 remaining). They later passed up a field goal attempt on 4th and 23 from the 33, halfway through the 4th, leading 51-0.
- Russell Wilson only attempted 13 passes (completing 7, for 148 yards). He was 1 of 1 for 5 yards in the 3rd quarter.
- Matt Flynn appeared in a regular season game for the first time this season, relieving Wilson with 10:19 to go in the 3rd quarter. He went 5 of 9 for 68 yards.
- Both Marshawn Lynch and Robert Turbin rushed for over 100 yards, and the 3rd running back (Leon Washington) got his first rushing TD of the season.
- Larry Fitzgerald nearly had his consecutive-games-with-a-catch streak stopped at 129. He caught his only pass of the game for 2 yards with 7:13 to go in the game. Three of Seattle's 4 interceptions were on throws targeted to Fitzgerald.

So, apart from the field goal attempts maybe, the Cards pretty much did all of the embarrassing themselves.

In other news, the win for Seattle was its largest shutout and largest victory margin. It was the first time Arizona had been shut out since 2003 when the Cards lost to Seattle 38-0, which was this game's score at halftime. Seattle Pro-Bowl CB Brandon Browner began his 4-game suspension for Adderall this week. Russell Wilson is the first rookie to start and win his first 6 home games since the 1970 merger.

Seattle travels to play Buffalo next (in Toronto). If Seattle beats Buffalo next week and the 49ers lose at New England Sunday night, Seattle pulls within a half-game of the 49ers, and their meeting (in Seattle) the following week will basically determine the NFC West winner. In the final week, Seattle hosts the Rams and the Niners host the Cardinals. Currently the #5 seed, Seattle looks very likely to earn at least a wild-card spot in a tie-break scenario by virtue of their wins over other contenders Chicago (8-5), Dallas (7-6), and Minnesota (7-6). Washington (7-6) is the only other team within a game of them, and RG3 is questionable with a sprained knee.

-n8 (down the stretch they come!)
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But in the NFL, there's that "understanding" not to "embarrass" the other team. And teams are not that different in terms of skill....good grief. Not that I'm against it, but I didn't think this kind of a beating is possible.
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It is no the offense's job to stop scoring (or trying to score). It is the defense's job to stop me FROM scoring. This is a professional league, made of mostly equal teams. If you don't want me to score, then don't let me. (And it looks like the Cards offense beat itself).
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Apparently we have to have the running up the score discussion after every lopsided game.

I think the Cardinals have more important things to worry about than whether the Seahawks were trying to embarrass them, and they would probably say that if asked.
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Seattle travels to play Buffalo next (in Toronto). If Seattle beats Buffalo next week and the 49ers lose at New England Sunday night, Seattle pulls within a half-game of the 49ers, and their meeting (in Seattle) the following week will basically determine the NFC West winner. In the final week, Seattle hosts the Rams and the Niners host the Cardinals. Currently the #5 seed, Seattle looks very likely to earn at least a wild-card spot in a tie-break scenario by virtue of their wins over other contenders Chicago (8-5), Dallas (7-6), and Minnesota (7-6). Washington (7-6) is the only other team within a game of them, and RG3 is questionable with a sprained knee.

The NFC West is certainly still up for grabs. Several games left to play. And I do like going over the scenarios...

IMO, winning any division isn't really all that important unless it also comes with a first round bye. And from what I can tell, for the Seahawks to get a first round bye they have three weeks left to (1) gain one win on NYG, (2) gain one win on GB, and (3) gain two wins on SF. All three have to happen for the Seahawks to get the #2 seed. Each happening individually is definitely a possibility because of remaining schedules, but all three happening looks unlikely.

--Rod
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IMO, winning any division isn't really all that important unless it also comes with a first round bye.


Disagree. The 8-8 Denver Tebows beat the 12-4 Steelers last year. No way that happens in Pittsburgh. Also, the 9-7 Giants got the 10-6 Falcons at home last year. Granted, the 27-2 beatdown wasn't close, but that game might have had a whole different result if it had been indoors and a little noisier when the Giants had the ball.

Right, wrong or indifferent, Seattle has a home field advantage like no other. Any home game for them is a huge leg up (ask the Saints about 2011), and one win might be the kickstart they need to get some momentum and start a roll.
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But in the NFL, there's that "understanding" not to "embarrass" the other team. And teams are not that different in terms of skill....good grief. Not that I'm against it, but I didn't think this kind of a beating is possible.

This wasn't so much of a case of the Seattle running up the score as the Cardinals laying down. Remember the Cards beat the Seahawks 20-16 earlier in the year. The talent level didn't change that much.

This one is one Whisenhunt. The Cardinals defense is very good to excellent while the offense is having extreme difficulties, to put it mildly. Last week vs. the Jets, Whisenhunt wanted the defense to lay down on a late Jets drive so the Jets could score giving the Cardinals an infinitesimal yet theoretically possible chance for the fumbling, bumbling, Keystone Kop offense to score/tie before time expired.

Dockett, and probably other players, understandably refused which resulted in $100K fine against Dockett, and generally caused discord among the defense. And now it appears the defense is revolting against Whisenhunt. About 98% of the time I side on coaches when it comes player/coach disputes, but I'm with the players on this one. The Whizzer isn't doing it right.
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All in all, did any team ever cover a 10.5 spread better than the 'hawks?

~aj
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>> It doesn't get much lower than 58-0. <<

Not in today's NFL, but there was the 1940 NFL Championship game, where Sid Luckman's 1940 Bears -- the Monsters of the Midway -- defeated Slingin' Sammy Baugh's Redskins 73-0.

Imagine a 73-0 Super Bowl today. Ouch.

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"But in the NFL, there's that "understanding" not to "embarrass" the other team."

Apparently Bill Belichick never got the memo. I know he rationalizes it but I don't fully buy his "explanation" for running up scores.
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The problem with running up scores in the NFL is the high risk of injury. A team is far better off being conservative with an insurmountable lead.
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IMO, winning any division isn't really all that important unless it also comes with a first round bye.

Disagree. The 8-8 Denver Tebows beat the 12-4 Steelers last year. No way that happens in Pittsburgh. Also, the 9-7 Giants got the 10-6 Falcons at home last year. Granted, the 27-2 beatdown wasn't close, but that game might have had a whole different result if it had been indoors and a little noisier when the Giants had the ball.


Of course HFA can make a difference in one game. Of course it could kick start a playoff run. But that doesn't mean that it makes sense to play extra playoff games or that it makes sense to play your hurt guys at the end in order to eek out better positioning.

I would put "making the playoffs vs not" and "getting a first-round bye vs not" and "getting healthy vs not" and maybe even "getting #1 seed vs #2 seed" as all being more significant difference-makers to franchises than "getting HFA on wild-card weekend vs not". For most teams the playoffs are not about winning one game, they're about winning it all.

--Rod
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The problem with running up scores in the NFL is the high risk of injury. A team is far better off being conservative with an insurmountable lead.

This is the only logical reason to let go of the throttle. Otherwise, you get paid to stop them, so stop them. If you do your job, we won't have discussions like this.
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>> The problem with running up scores in the NFL is the high risk of injury. A team is far better off being conservative with an insurmountable lead. <<

Not only that, but you don't jump in the polls for "style points" in the NFL. Except for deep into the tiebreakers, margin of victory doesn't matter.

Contrast that to college, where a few years ago Oklahoma leapfrogged Texas in the standings despite identical records *and* the fact that Texas beat OU head to head, largely because Bob Stoops ran up the score and won big week after week to rise to #2 in the standings. There is no such incentive in the NFL.

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Imagine a 73-0 Super Bowl today. Ouch.

Thankfully, there has never been one that bad, but there have been way too many one-sided Superbowls.
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"But in the NFL, there's that "understanding" not to "embarrass" the other team."

Apparently Bill Belichick never got the memo


He got the memo Pete Caroll left him on his way out of Foxborough!
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Apparently Bill Belichick never got the memo. I know he rationalizes it but I don't fully buy his "explanation" for running up scores.
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Hey, he took Brady out with about 4:30 left in the 4th (up 42-7, IIRC). Nobody gsve him credit for "conserving his star QB," or "not running up the score against the Texans Back-up QB."

My point is the media jumps quick on the "running up the score" bandwagon but is a LOT slower to acknowledge good decisions of which they would (supposedly) approve of......

FWIW, YMMV,

Yoda
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Apparently Bill Belichick never got the memo. I know he rationalizes it but I don't fully buy his "explanation" for running up scores.

Envy can be such an ugly trait.
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Apparently Bill Belichick never got the memo. I know he rationalizes it but I don't fully buy his "explanation" for running up scores.

Envy can be such an ugly trait.


DeNile is a long river.
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