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Subject:  Probate-Related Issues Date:  6/28/2000  7:32 PM
Author:  GCollier Number:  1997 of 5768

My siblings and I were recently involved with Missouri's probate system because an elderly relative died and we were the beneficiaries. It was a typical will in that both executor and beneficiaries were all family members and there were no disputes. Our relatives had both CDs (both IRA and savings) and savings/checking accounts in two different banks in the St Louis region. Our relatives had been customers of both banks for over 25 years but both should be considered financially naive. Following is a summary of some of the horror tales we encountered along with some ideas on how to deal with them. Hope you find them of value in your own planning.


1) The first problem we encountered was that we could not identify all of the individual bank accounts (there were 12-15 of them) even though we had all of the papers in our hands. For me, the message is that your bank MUST provide you a consolidated statement of ALL of your accounts held by that bank. What we encountered with both banks was a rediculous situation. I would not be a customer of such a bank.

2) Our relatives had a series of 6mo/1yr CDs with each bank which dated back to the 1970's. Each CD was assigned a unique account number by the bank. The problem was that there was no traceability between account numbers when the funds were 'rolled' from one CD to the next. The banks automatically 'rolled' the CDs upon maturation and there was no report that had both 'before' and 'after' CD account numbers on it. The traceability problem was even worse because both banks were bought several times over that time period and each had a different records system. It appeared, but I could not prove, that both banks left funds in expired CDs for extended periods of time with no interest being paid. My only cautionary note here is that each investor MUST have an unambiguous record for EACH account which you REVIEW on a periodic basis.

3) Our relatives still had what appeared to be a valid CD certificate dating from the late 1970's. The bank refused to redeem it because they insisted it must have been paid since it was no longer in its database. However, the bank refused to research the original certificate unless we paid them a 'by-the-hour' fee. This problem was finally resolved without our paying when the probate lawyer got involved. Again, my only cautionary note is to make sure that you have an unambiguous record of each account stashed away in your 'lockbox'.

4) One of the banks had an investment company associated with it. When the husband died in 1998, his widow had some cash which she wanted to invest. I suggested T-Bills and we 'purchased' them at the bank - However, I later learned that we were actually dealing with the bank's associated investment company. The investment agent said the T-Bills would take a few days and that he would deliver them to her home in '2-3 days'. Unfortunately, that turned out to be after I had left town. This scam artist assured her that I had been mistaken because T-Bills were no longer available but that he had an alternative which would be better for her. He convinced her to accept (with no additional signatures) a mutual bond fund paying 9% which had a penalty for withdrawals in less than 5 years. This scammer was eventually fired and lost his securities license - but I