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|Subject: Re: Quote from MadCapitalist's Profile||Date: 12/30/2002 10:27 AM|
|Author: telegraph||Number: 88129 of 794675|
Art: I bought $4 worth of tickets to the $315 Million Powerball Jackpot. I guess that makes me a risk taker. If I ever hit it, it'll be big. If I don't? People blow money on all kinds of stupid stuff, tobacco, drugs, liquor, cars, boats, fishing, hunting, travel, etc. What difference does it make in the end how one spends their discretionary money? Who am I to judge someone on what they find interesting and fun? It all pans out in the end. As long as I have a warm bed to sleep in and food to eat, I figure I'm doing all right.
One man's "fun" is another man's folly.
A buck or two is cheap 'fun' if you get a thrill from 'taking a chance' to win money. Of course, the odds are significantly against you...first of all, you got a one in umpteen gazillion chance of picking the right six numbers or whatever. And being the only one so you don't have to split it 10 ways. And being lucky in that your number is drawn, and not some number that no one purchased. Yes, millions get a 'rush' watching the numbers being drawn, and sometimes winning a few bucks themselves.
Yep, and many people buy candy bars or sodas from the machine at work for high prices for a 'fix'...a moment of 'pleasure'. Or smoke...or buy drugs for hundreds of bucks a day.
That said, you can extend the same across the board...some folks buy big fancy cars for the 'status' and 'joy' of driving a status symbol or indicator of their 'status'. That is 'fun' in their circle of acquantences. They are willing to work hard to earn the bucks to have/wear/posses the status symbols, and 'play' with the 'toys' that they become accustomed to. Each year the ante is upped....guess what so-and-so just bought! We gotta get one!
Does anyone need expensive wines and expensive meals ($100 and up?)??? Does anyone 'need' $50,000 vehicles? Does anyone 'need' to live in a $1,000,000 and up 'house'? Does anyone need five cell phones, five computers, five cars, for a family with two or three kids? $15,000 vacations? $40,000 college tuition?
The problem most people have is that they have been brainwashed into what they should believe is 'fun'. Watching TV, one gets the impression that you have to be a) spending money, and preferabbly lots of it, to be having 'fun', b) have all sorts of expensive habits and hobbies (top end wine, beer, liquor, shoes, clothes, cars, audio, TV, vacations) to be having 'fun' c) run with a crowd with the same values d) have no 'hobbies' other than consumption of goods and spending money in 'style' e) going deeper and deeper into debt with zero down, zero payments for XXX months or years f) taking cash out of your house to buy more 'things'.
If you look at a typical teenager, they have often been pushed through so many activities growing up, that they have developed a taste for high end consumption, and zero activities that require little cash to enjoy. Spending money in 'style' like the people they have watched for 10,000 hours on TV. Paying people to do everything from maid service to cutting the grass to painting to cooking. Make your own food? ha!....just run to the fast food place.
Yes, after 10,000 hours or more of video games, they crave 'excitement' and bigger and bigger adventures. Many have not developed personal hobbies that don't require lots of money to do...it is skiing and safaris and luxury cruises and staying in $250/night hotels with 'room service' and buying 'jewelry' and other things that they think will satisfy their need for 'fun' and 'achievement'. It is accumulation of all the 'things' of a 'successful life'.
It's going to be interesting to see what their kids turn out like...
As to RE, it is what gives you, personally, fun and a sense of worth and achievement that counts. Of course, you are going to spend money. I'm sure everyone blows a certain percent on things and doesn't think too hard. The more you have, the more likely gets 'blown away' on things that aren't necessary but give you a minute or two of fun. And lots of things give people ten mintues or an hour of fun before they are put on a shelf and sit there for the next ten years.
It's all in proportion. If you blow 30% of your income this way, that's postponing your retirement by tens of years. Or, if you have to have that 30% to blow, it is also postponing your retirement since you'll have to save a lot more to reach FI/RE.
I'd bet few have zero 'leakage' of funds on such things....and I don't worry about it a great deal. But I also don't buy lottery tickets...and try to keep wi