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Subject:  Re: Here's why Libs don't get it Date:  1/9/2013  7:01 PM
Author:  MadCapitalist Number:  665461 of 876333

Invoking God tells us nothing about what rights and privileges obtain in a civilized, thinking, rational society. Particularly in a world where there is so much disagreement over whether there is a God and what He requires of man.

You are right that invoking God doesn't tell us what "unalienable" rights we have. That is obtained through reason. Either you believe that we have natural rights, or you don't. I certainly do, even though I don't believe in God. Just like any other animal, we have a right to defend ourselves against the aggression of others. We have a right to life and the freedom to pursue it as we wish as long as we don't infringe on the rights of others. Rights = freedom. The liberal conception of "rights" equals the "right" to enslave others by taking the product of their efforts and by defining what they *must* do.

We have rights whether there is a government or not to protect them. The purpose of government is *supposed* to be to protect our rights. As Thomas Jefferson wrote in the Declaration of Independence:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

This talks about the purpose and limits of government in more detail, although the chance of you reading it is nil.
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