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Subject:  Re: Here's why Libs don't get it Date:  1/10/2013  1:34 PM
Author:  Colovion Number:  665582 of 875651

That you are espousing the pre-existence of these liberties outside the social contract of government is interesting to me.

After all, many, many other societies, both historically and even today, do not acknowledge these rights for all people, and are operating under those assumptions right now.

If what you say is true, and the natural state of humanity is to have such freedoms, how does this come about?

They are violating the rights of their people. It shouldn't be surprising that governments deprive their citizens of rights illegitimately, that's the default situation throughout history. That doesn't mean it is correct or even desireable, however. We should strive to do better, and often have (moreso than anyone else arguably).
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