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Subject: a few TULIP questions Date: 2/20/2002 9:36 AM
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As I understand TULIP, it suggests that all whom God has elected will inevitably come to God and be saved. Given this I have a few questions.

There seems to me a certain contradiction in what Goldrushs states in this post (http://boards.fool.com/Message.asp?mid=16761034) and the TULIP notion of irresistible grace:

People that depend upon works plus faith for salvation, are not understanding grace and may not be saved. Souls can drift into Hell, thinking they are saved because they can show good religious works in their lives, but not truly be resting in Christ's work and righteousness alone. (Matt. 7:21-23)

How can the elect misunderstand grace and therefore not be saved if grace is irresistible? How can an elected soul “drift into Hell”, unless one is suggesting that God can make mistakes in the election of souls?

To put it another way, when you argue for TULIP who are you trying to convince? The elect are going to find God and be saved because of irresistible grace. Therefore, your argument to the elect seems redundant, they should already believe as you (unless you have some doubts about God's power). The reprobate are a hopeless cause. The only result of preaching to the reprobate is to make them feel bad (like reminding the terminally ill that they will die). Hardly seems Christian. So since evangelism can't change the outcome, why evangelize?

Another question is what do those who adhere to TULIP suggest the reprobate should do? If God has rejected the reprobate, then what alternative is left to them other than satan?

Final set of questions. Do Calvinists care about the reprobate? If so, why, if even an all-merciful God has rejected them? If not, then are the needs of the reprobate of any concern to the elect?


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