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Subject: A Question on Roth IRA Redux - Part III Date: 12/16/1998 9:43 PM
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Hello TMF Taxes!

Here's my situation: I'm a 29-year old single male and I opened a new Roth IRA in 1998 that contains $2000 in contributions and about $500 in earnings. Is it true that I may withdraw the $2000 contributions at ANY time without penalty or taxes?

The five tax year period and the four classifications of a "qualified" distribution that you list do not apply in this case because I'm only taking out the Roth IRA contributions, correct?

Thanks,

nelsonpc
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Author: TMFTaxes Big gold star, 5000 posts Old School Fool Add to my Favorite Fools Ignore this person (you won't see their posts anymore) Number: 7295 of 121219
Subject: Re: A Question on Roth IRA Redux - Part III Date: 12/16/1998 10:01 PM
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[[Hello TMF Taxes!]]

Yo!! Nelson!!!

[[ Here's my situation: I'm a 29-year old single male]]

Sweet fancy Jesus!!! I envy you already. But let's move on....

[[and I opened a new Roth IRA in 1998 that
contains $2000 in contributions and about $500 in earnings. Is it true that I may withdraw the
$2000 contributions at ANY time without penalty or taxes?]]

Yup. I don't know exactly how your Roth IRA got to this place, though. Your contribution (I assume) was $2k originally. So if the current value is now $2k, it really contains your original contributions. Any other gains or losses would really offset one another.

So I'm still not clear how you can make a $2k contribution, and now the FMV of the Roth IRA is $2k, but you say that it contains $500 of earnings. It would seem to me that the Roth IRA would contain your original $2k contribution. Nothing more. Nothing less.

But...that aside, you are correct. You can remove your $2k at any time, without taxes or penalties. You are doing nothing more than removing your original contribution, for which you received no tax benefit in the first place.

[[ The five tax year period and the four classifications of a "qualified" distribution that you list do not
apply in this case because I'm only taking out the Roth IRA contributions, correct?]]

Correctamundo...

[[ Thanks,]]

You are very welcome...

TMF Taxes
Roy

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Author: KATinChicagoland Three stars, 500 posts Add to my Favorite Fools Ignore this person (you won't see their posts anymore) Number: 7311 of 121219
Subject: Re: A Question on Roth IRA Redux - Part III Date: 12/17/1998 1:54 PM
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There is, of course, the hidden "penalty" if you take this money out of your Roth IRA: you lose the ability to use it to build up tax-free earnings for an indefinite period. That's why I sometimes put "penalty-free withdrawals" on both lists: Roth IRA advantages, and Roth IRA disadvantages.

Kaye Thomas, author
Fairmark Press Tax Guide for Investors
http://www.fairmark.com

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Author: nelsonpc Add to my Favorite Fools Ignore this person (you won't see their posts anymore) Number: 7337 of 121219
Subject: Re: A Question on Roth IRA Redux - Part III Date: 12/17/1998 9:49 PM
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TMF Taxes,

>> So I'm still not clear how you can make a $2k contribution, and now the FMV of the Roth IRA is $2k, but you say that it contains $500 of earnings. It would seem to me that the Roth IRA would contain your original $2k contribution. Nothing more. Nothing less.

To clarify, I initially put $2000 in a Roth IRA mutual fund. Due to the increase in the mutual fund price, it is now worth $2500. I reasoned that I am able to sell just enough shares of the fund to cover the $2000 withdrawal, but leave the remaining $500 so that I'm not penalized. Is it true that "earnings" include dividends AND capital gains?

Thanks,

nelsonpc

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Author: TMFTaxes Big gold star, 5000 posts Old School Fool Add to my Favorite Fools Ignore this person (you won't see their posts anymore) Number: 7358 of 121219
Subject: Re: A Question on Roth IRA Redux - Part III Date: 12/19/1998 1:06 PM
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[[To clarify, I initially put $2000 in a Roth IRA mutual fund. Due to the increase in
the mutual fund price, it is now worth $2500. I reasoned that I am able to sell
just enough shares of the fund to cover the $2000 withdrawal, but leave the
remaining $500 so that I'm not penalized.]]

Make sure that you understand the penalty issues and the required order to fund withdrawal. In your situation, the first $2k that you take out of your Roth IRA will be treated as a return of your original investment, and will not be subject to taxes or penalties. This is true because the IRA was created by a contribution. If you have ANY OTHER Roth IRA funds that may have been created by conversion funds, the rules are not as clear. Just as you can't carve out a specific IRA when you make a conversion, you can't carve out a specific Roth IRA account when you decide to take a distribution. What you have is one big Roth IRA. So if you have Roth IRAs that were created both by contributions AND conversions, make sure that you know the rules with respect to distributions. You certainly don't want any unplesant surprises.

You can read more about the Roth IRA distribution and penalty rules in my series on the Roth IRA in the Taxes FAQ area. You should really check it out.

[[ Is it true that "earnings" include
dividends AND capital gains?]]

Yup. For all intents and purposes, earnings include virtually everything other than the original contributions.

TMF Taxes
Roy

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