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Author: TMFOtter Big red star, 1000 posts Old School Fool Add to my Favorite Fools Ignore this person (you won't see their posts anymore) Number: of 46802  
Subject: A suggestion for political threads Date: 2/5/2004 1:32 PM
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Totally unsolicited, easily ignored.

As a (mostly) lurker here, I also viewed the political threads with some unease. Not because I'm disinterested in them but because on message boards such discussions almost NEVER lead to a better environment for a board.

But it's generally not the fault of those who have substantial time equity built up on the boards -- it's because those conversations track the attention of outsiders who could give a rip what about the carefully built environment that has been built up.

So while OT is a generally good way of labeling them so people can ignore, if I may make another suggestion so that political discussions don't get out of hand.

It's pretty simple. Never, ever give a recommendation on a political topic on this board. Just let OT threads be just that -- their own beings, ones that are private conversations amongst friends.

I've seen board after board simply ruined because internal conversations on passionate topics like politics hit the "Best Of" list, attracting folks who have no intent on respecting anything. There's nothing we at TMF can do about it, but there's plenty you can do about it. People may make great points, but perhaps acknowledge as such the old fashioned way -- by responding.

This isn't my party, but that's my suggestion to you all: Don't give recommendations to political posts. Nothing good will come from attracting people with axes to grind.

Respecfully submitted --
Bill Mann
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Author: 1971simon Big gold star, 5000 posts Old School Fool Add to my Favorite Fools Ignore this person (you won't see their posts anymore) Number: 28431 of 46802
Subject: Re: A suggestion for political threads Date: 2/5/2004 2:00 PM
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There's nothing we at TMF can do about it

Bill,

Not to sound too off-the-cuff, but do the "Best Of" lists just get generated automatically? I would have thought that the editors (or whatever the list preparers call themselves) look at the posts and see if they are at all relevant and add something to TMF.

Most political posts actually don't add anything of significant value to our knowledge base. They generally regurgitate the same topics and points over and over again.

The "Best Of" list might benefit from some editorial discretion. Personally, my goal as editor would be to provide links to posts that teach the reader something. Rehashing old arguments wouldn't cut the mustard.

Simon


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Author: yttire Big red star, 1000 posts Old School Fool Add to my Favorite Fools Ignore this person (you won't see their posts anymore) Number: 28432 of 46802
Subject: Re: A suggestion for political threads Date: 2/5/2004 2:10 PM
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Never, ever give a recommendation on a political topic on this board.

If the goal is to keep a low profile, why is everyone recc'ing his post ;)

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Author: LostInThought Big red star, 1000 posts Old School Fool Add to my Favorite Fools Ignore this person (you won't see their posts anymore) Number: 28433 of 46802
Subject: Re: A suggestion for political threads Date: 2/5/2004 2:20 PM
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Hi 1971simon,

The "Best of" lists can be found through the "Best of" link at the top of message boards. The lists are generated automatically by the number of recommendations that posts get, the number of times people are named a favorite Fool, etc.

The Fool also provides guidance to what they feel are the best quality posts through the 'Hot Topic' selections, 'Evening on the Fool' awards and Post of the Day, which are usually linked from the Announcements boxes.

Lost

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Author: GusSmed Big gold star, 5000 posts Old School Fool CAPS All Star Add to my Favorite Fools Ignore this person (you won't see their posts anymore) Number: 28435 of 46802
Subject: Re: A suggestion for political threads Date: 2/5/2004 3:28 PM
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I've seen board after board simply ruined because internal conversations on passionate topics like politics hit the "Best Of" list, attracting folks who have no intent on respecting anything.

It's true. A post on the "best of" attacts folks who have never posted on a board before, and never will again, except perhaps in that one thread. Typically these people have no idea what a board like "Foolish Collective" is about, and really don't care. They just chime in because they were offended, or maybe they just think it was an intelligent post that deserved reinforcement. Such a person would never see the irony in responding to your post because it happened to make the "best of".

- Gus

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Author: TMFOtter Big red star, 1000 posts Old School Fool Add to my Favorite Fools Ignore this person (you won't see their posts anymore) Number: 28436 of 46802
Subject: Re: A suggestion for political threads Date: 2/5/2004 3:56 PM
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Not to sound too off-the-cuff, but do the "Best Of" lists just get generated automatically?

Nope, the Fool does no parsing whatsoever on the list of posts that come from the Parkay colored box at the top of the page. There are folks here who put together "Hot Topic" lists and choose a Post of the Day, but the polity determines what goes in the best of list, not some blue ribbon panel.

Thank you all for all the recommendations from the earlier post. It may actually help defeat the purpose. (grin)

Maybe some self-selection would be in order. If you're going to write a political post you can remind people not to recommend it as well.

Something like:

***DO NOT RECOMMEND***, or Instead of "OT" label it "DNR" in the subject.

Bill Mann

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Author: bankingintern Big red star, 1000 posts Old School Fool Add to my Favorite Fools Ignore this person (you won't see their posts anymore) Number: 28437 of 46802
Subject: Re: A suggestion for political threads Date: 2/5/2004 5:06 PM
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Why does the Fool allow "outsiders who don't give a rip" to stay? Or put some tools into the hands of board regulars to help stop the situation? Heck, I wouldn't mind having people with a very heavy ignore/favorite ratio screened out of anything I read. What is the fool doing about this problem?
It's like letting the guy who always pees into the punchbowl at the christmas party come back the next year. Your trying to do the right thing and all but in the end it just bites you on the ass and wrecks the whole evening.



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Author: admiraltroll Big gold star, 5000 posts Feste Award Winner! Old School Fool Add to my Favorite Fools Ignore this person (you won't see their posts anymore) Number: 28438 of 46802
Subject: Re: A suggestion for political threads Date: 2/5/2004 5:28 PM
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Hi bankingintern,

I think that there is a fine line between what is opinion & legitimate free speech and that which is offensive and ought to be pulled.

The Fool above all internet sites allows us to "report a post" and actually employs people that have to make that judgement.

They even allow the boards to specify through their FAQ what is and is not an acceptable standard for that board. Hence what may be acceptable on the Political Asylum board might not be acceptable here.

It even works in the reverse - try posting stock analysis on the PA board!

This flexibility is one of the Fool's strengths because we can say, even to FC regulars, if you want to be political there is an outlet for it but it's not here.

Best Regards
Philip

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Author: LeBeancountiere Big red star, 1000 posts Feste Award Nominee! Old School Fool Add to my Favorite Fools Ignore this person (you won't see their posts anymore) Number: 28441 of 46802
Subject: Re: A suggestion for political threads Date: 2/5/2004 6:05 PM
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Great post Bill!

"Never, ever give a recommendation on a political topic on this board."

Exception: Whenever LeBean is posting a comment on a political topic. :-)


LeBean :-)

...a hopeless rec ho :-)

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Author: umphy Three stars, 500 posts Old School Fool Add to my Favorite Fools Ignore this person (you won't see their posts anymore) Number: 28442 of 46802
Subject: Re: A suggestion for political threads Date: 2/5/2004 6:34 PM
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Oh damn then I wouldn't know the blow hard posts to avoid on P.A anything over 20 there is a great giveaway...C'est la vie as the old people say.........watchin Pulp Fiction again...hmmm whats that Political Fiction ...yaa close enuf!!!

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Author: Rozanovitch Big red star, 1000 posts Old School Fool Home Fool Add to my Favorite Fools Ignore this person (you won't see their posts anymore) Number: 28447 of 46802
Subject: Re: A suggestion for political threads Date: 2/5/2004 7:52 PM
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Bill,
***DO NOT RECOMMEND***, or Instead of "OT" label it "DNR" in the subject.

It isn't often I find humor in a serious topic thread, but the double meaning of "DNR" was a great find for me. In the world of medicine, DNR means 'Do Not Recuscitate' which gets us to the same end you are suggesting. <smile>

Ro


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Author: jackcrow Big gold star, 5000 posts Feste Award Nominee! Old School Fool CAPS All Star Add to my Favorite Fools Ignore this person (you won't see their posts anymore) Number: 28459 of 46802
Subject: Re: A suggestion for political threads Date: 2/5/2004 10:38 PM
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hmm,

maybe I shouldn't have rec'ed your post.

jack

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Author: jackcrow Big gold star, 5000 posts Feste Award Nominee! Old School Fool CAPS All Star Add to my Favorite Fools Ignore this person (you won't see their posts anymore) Number: 28461 of 46802
Subject: Re: A suggestion for political threads Date: 2/5/2004 10:55 PM
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label it "DNR" in the subject

Do Not Resuscitate?

Might be a little brutal but may be effective.

jack

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