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And one other rant while I am at it. Yes, we can spend our time and energy figuring exactly how conservatives are being dishonest, but why should we have to? Why are conservatives so unremittingly dishonest in the first place? How can that ever lead to meaningful discussions of anything?

"Dishonest" is not right, I'd wager. I expect that 80-90% of both sides are saying what they believe is true, but they're misinformed on some issues.

Confirmation bias and groupthink play a much larger role. You just don't hear dissenting arguments, or you don't bother to think through what you've heard to its logical conclusions.

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