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Author: rev2217 Big gold star, 5000 posts Old School Fool Add to my Favorite Fools Ignore this person (you won't see their posts anymore) Number: of 9085  
Subject: Anglican Ordinariate for the United States Date: 11/22/2011 12:08 AM
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Everybody,

In a report to the semiannual general meeting of the U. S. Conference of Catholic Bishops last week (http://www.usccb.org/news/2011/11-228.cfm for press release), Cardinal Donald Wuerl, Archbishop of Washington, announced that the Vatican will canonically erect a "personal ordinariate" for former Anglicans who come into the Catholic Church. This will be the second ordinariate erected under the provisions of the apostolic constitution Anglicanorum coetibus (http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/benedict_xvi/apost_constit... for text and http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/docum... for associated Complementary Norms), the first being the Personal Ordinariate of Our Lady of Walsingham (http://www.ordinariate.org.uk for web site) in England and Wales.

An "ordinariate" is a "particular church" equivalent to a diocese, but its "ordinary" may be a presbyter rather than a bishop. This option allows married former Anglican clergy to act in that role without receiving episcopal ordinartion, and thus without causing ecumenical difficulties with the Orthodox, who do not ordain married presbyters to the episcopate. Of course, the "ordinary" is canonically equivalent to a diocesan bishop, and thus wears the choir dress of a diocesan bishop in any case. He also has full use of pontifical insignia (mitre, crosier, pectoral cross, ring, etc.) and is ex officio, a full member of the episcopal conference, whether he receives episcopal ordination or not. The designation of "personal" means that those eligible may elect to be members of the ordinariate rather than the regular ("territorial") diocese within which they live. Like the existing "Anglican Use" parishes, the ordinariates have the faculty to celebrate the liturgy according to the Anglican form in the Book of Divine worship (http://www.atonementonline.com/BODW.pdf for electronic version) in addition to the Roman Rite.

There is no announcement as to who will be the first ordinary of the new ordinariate as yet, nor has there been any announcement as to arrangements for any of the existing personal parishes for the "Anglican Use" to move into the ordinariate from there current dioceses, but most of these parishes do seem to anticpate such a move. It appears that reception of parish groups (laity and clergy) coming into the ordinariate from The Episcopal Church and from various "continuing Anglican" bodies will begin in late winter or early spring of 2012.

Norm.
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Author: Wradical Big gold star, 5000 posts Old School Fool Add to my Favorite Fools Ignore this person (you won't see their posts anymore) Number: 8998 of 9085
Subject: Re: Anglican Ordinariate for the United States Date: 11/22/2011 3:46 PM
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Don't suppose they'll bring any women priests over with them. More's the pity.

Bill

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Author: CCSand Big gold star, 5000 posts Old School Fool Add to my Favorite Fools Ignore this person (you won't see their posts anymore) Number: 8999 of 9085
Subject: Re: Anglican Ordinariate for the United States Date: 11/29/2011 8:48 PM
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Wradical wrote:

Don't suppose they'll bring any women priests over with them.

Probably not. That's one of the reasons, along with ordination of homosexuals, that the Anglican church is in schism and many are leaving.

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Author: Wradical Big gold star, 5000 posts Old School Fool Add to my Favorite Fools Ignore this person (you won't see their posts anymore) Number: 9000 of 9085
Subject: Re: Anglican Ordinariate for the United States Date: 11/30/2011 12:22 AM
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I was being sarcastic.

Bill

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Author: rev2217 Big gold star, 5000 posts Old School Fool Add to my Favorite Fools Ignore this person (you won't see their posts anymore) Number: 9004 of 9085
Subject: Re: Anglican Ordinariate for the United States Date: 1/5/2012 6:18 PM
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CCSand,

Probably not. That's one of the reasons, along with ordination of homosexuals, that the Anglican church is in schism and many are leaving.


That's right. There are basically three groups who are coming into the Personal Ordinariate of the Chair of St. Peter here in the States.

>> The first group left Episcopal Church - U. S. A. (ECUSA), now known as The Episcopal Church (TEC), in the late 1970's and early 1980's because they rejected ordination of women. Some of that group came into the Catholic Church to form a dozen or so "Anglican Use" congregations that exist as personal parishes or chaplaincies in as many dioceses. Others formed or joined various "Continuing Anglican" bodies such as the Anglican Church in America (ACA), which they are now leaving to enter the Catholic Church through the new ordinariate.

>> The second group left the TEC in the last decade, or is coming directly from TEC, due to that body's adoption of non-scriptural practices in complete disregard of the sensibilities of the rest of the Anglican Communion, creating a state of virtual schism therein. The specific practices to which they take exception are (1) blessings of homosexual unions and (2) episcopal ordination of individuals whose lifestyles are far from exemplary.

>> The third group, the Anglo-Lutheran Catholic Church, is an aberration, in that it actually came out of the Lutheran tradition but subsequently adopted the Catechism of the Catholic Church as its standard of doctrine and adopted the liturgical rites of the Catholic Church, including the "Anglican Use" forms in the Book of Divine Worship. When this group petitioned to come into the Catholic Church, the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith "suggested" the ordinariate for the United States as a vehicle for doing so and referred them to Cardinal Wuerl, the delegate for its formation.

Norm.

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Subject: Re: Anglican Ordinariate for the United States Date: 1/5/2012 6:44 PM
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Everybody,

Here are a few additional details on this story.

>> 1. The name of the ordinariate for the United States is the Personal Ordinariate of the Chair of St. Peter (http://www.usordinariate.org for web site).

>> 2. Fr. Jeffrey Steenson, a married former Episcopal bishop received into and ordained in the Catholic Church in 2007, is the first ordinary (http://www.usordinariate.org/ordinary.html for bio). Fr. Steenson is currently a Professor of Theology at the University of St. Thomas and St. Mary’s Seminary in Houston, Texas. There will be a formal installation at the Co-Cathedral of the Sacred Heart in Houston on 12 February 2012.

>> 3. The "Principal Church" of the ordinariate is the Church of Our Lady of Walsingham in Houston, where the ordinariate has established its administrative office. This church is also the home of an "Anglican Use" parish of the Archdiocese of Houston of the same title (http://www.walsingham-church.org/site/Welcome.html for web site), which undoubtedly will officially transfer to the ordinariate in the near future.

>> 4. Fr. Scott Hurd, a married former Episcopal presbyter now of the Archdiocese of Washington who assisted Cardinal Wuerl in the administration of its organization, is serving a term of three years as Vicar General of the ordinariate. Fr. Hurd will remain in the Washington area, where he is also serving as a chaplain for St. Luke's Parish in Bladensberg, Maryland, a parish that Cardinal Wuerl received into full communion from The Episcopal Church last month, until its former pastor receives Catholic ordination. Its former pastor, Mark Lewis, is now the canonical administrator of that parish.

>> 5. The principal patron of the new ordinariate is the Virgin Mary, under the title of Our Lady of Walsingham.

There is no timetable yet for reception or transfer of parishes into the new ordinariate.

Clergy coming into the Catholic Church from TEC, "Continuing Anglican" bodies, or the Anglo-Lutheran Catholic Church (ALCC) will complete a supplemental program of formation for Catholic ministry through the University of St. Thomas and St. Mary's Seminary in the spring 2012 semester, so their Catholic ordinations probably will take place in May or June. Fr. Steenson apparently will continue to teach there during this academic term.

Norm.

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Author: CCSand Big gold star, 5000 posts Old School Fool Add to my Favorite Fools Ignore this person (you won't see their posts anymore) Number: 9010 of 9085
Subject: Re: Anglican Ordinariate for the United States Date: 1/15/2012 10:03 AM
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Norm wrote:

The third group, the Anglo-Lutheran Catholic Church, is an aberration, in that it actually came out of the Lutheran tradition but subsequently adopted the Catechism of the Catholic Church as its standard of doctrine and adopted the liturgical rites of the Catholic Church, including the "Anglican Use" forms in the Book of Divine Worship. When this group petitioned to come into the Catholic Church, the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith "suggested" the ordinariate for the United States as a vehicle for doing so and referred them to Cardinal Wuerl, the delegate for its formation.

Interesting. I had not heard of this group before. Do you have any history on this group and why things worked out this way?

CCSand

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Author: rev2217 Big gold star, 5000 posts Old School Fool Add to my Favorite Fools Ignore this person (you won't see their posts anymore) Number: 9017 of 9085
Subject: Re: Anglican Ordinariate for the United States Date: 2/11/2012 12:01 PM
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CCSand,

You, regarding the Anglo-Lutheran Catholic Church (ALCC): Do you have any history on this group and why things worked out this way?

I can point you directly to two on-line sources.

>> Web Site of the ALCC: (http://anglolutherancatholic.org

>> Wikipedia Article About the ALCC: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-Lutheran_Catholic_Church

A couple bishops of the ALCC also have posted occasional comments containing additional information about the ALCC on two blogs, The Anglo-Catholic and English Catholic, set up to communicate information about the emerging ordinariates and alternatives thereto, but those comments are very infrequent. Going back through the commetns to all of the articles over the past couple years to find those comments would be very time-consuming.

Norm.

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Subject: Re: Anglican Ordinariate for the United States Date: 11/16/2012 8:08 AM
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Sharing some other information.

Here's the link for the American Ordinariate:
http://usordinariate.org/

That follows a similar Anglican Ordinariate for England and Wales (and Scotland) and proceeds one for Australia.

Msgr. Jeffrey Steenson, the Ordinary but not a bishop as he is married, presented a report to the U.S. Catholic bishops. The pdf is here:

http://usordinariate.org/documents/USCCB.pdf

And the video is here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLDKfl6dtIg&feature=youtu...

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Author: rev2217 Big gold star, 5000 posts Old School Fool Add to my Favorite Fools Ignore this person (you won't see their posts anymore) Number: 9028 of 9085
Subject: Re: Anglican Ordinariate for the United States Date: 11/21/2012 9:34 PM
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RPRambler,

Sharing some other information....

Yes, good update!

The territory of the Personal Ordinariate of the Chair of St. Peter has been extended to encompass Canada, at least for now. The intent is to establish a territorial deanery of this ordinariate in Canada that likely will become a separate ordinariate at some time in the future. Carl Reid and Peter Wilkinson, the former bishops of the Anglican Catholic Church of Canada (ACCC), the Canadian province of the Traditional Anglican Communion (TAC), will receive ordination as Catholic presbyters on 08 December, respectively in Ottawa and Victoria. I expect that one of them has been chosen to be the dean of the Canadian deanery, and that the announcement of the canonical erection of the deanery and the name of its first dean will occur at the respective ordination. There's also another class of about sixty former Anglican presbyters slated to begin a program of supplemental formation for service as Catholic clergy next month, with their ordinations to occur around April of next year.

For those who are interested in following these developments, there's a very good blog named "Foolishness to the World" (http://foolishnesstotheworld.wordpress.com for home page) maintained by Deborah Gyapong, a reporter for Catholic press in Canada and a member of Carl Reid's congregation, which became the Sodality of the Annunciation of the Blessed Virgin Mary (http://www.annunciationofthebvm.org for home page) upon its reception into the full communion of the Catholic Church earlier this year. This sodality's news letters are also a good source of information on developments north of the border.

I should mention that there are quite a few congregations that have come into the Catholic Church to join the ordinariate that are temporarily under the pastoral care of the local diocesan bishop until the Catholic ordination of their former Anglican clergy. In most cases, the former pastor retains governance as the canoncial administrator of the respective community, also pending his Catholic ordination whereupon he will become its pastor or chaplain, depending upon its size and canonical status.

Norm.

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Subject: Re: Anglican Ordinariate for the United States Date: 12/1/2012 12:30 PM
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Everybody,

A couple weeks ago, I wrote: The territory of the Personal Ordinariate of the Chair of St. Peter has been extended to encompass Canada, at least for now. The intent is to establish a territorial deanery of this ordinariate in Canada that likely will become a separate ordinariate at some time in the future. Carl Reid and Peter Wilkinson, the former bishops of the Anglican Catholic Church of Canada (ACCC), the Canadian province of the Traditional Anglican Communion (TAC), will receive ordination as Catholic presbyters on 08 December, respectively in Ottawa and Victoria. I expect that one of them has been chosen to be the dean of the Canadian deanery, and that the announcement of the canonical erection of the deanery and the name of its first dean will occur at the respective ordination. There's also another class of about sixty former Anglican presbyters slated to begin a program of supplemental formation for service as Catholic clergy next month, with their ordinations to occur around April of next year.

Alas, this situation is changing very rapidly. I have recently heard that Mr. Reid's ordination as a Catholic presbyter has been delayed until 26 January 2013 because somebody needed more time to shuffle the necessary paperwork. Thus, I'm guessing that the public announcement of the canonical erection of the deanery for Canada will occur at the ordination of Mr. Peter Wilkinson on 08 December 2012 in Victoria, with the newly ordained Fr. Peter Wilkinson being named as its first dean.

Norm.

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