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Subject: Another response to TMFBreakerTinker Date: 11/12/2005 6:32 AM
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This was a response to my post on the Mish Board. I initially responded by asking him to post it here. No such luck so I did.

<<Bush has lied consistently to the American people>>>

I've had it with this constant urban myth. As I asked on the PA board, specify the lies that Bush said. On the PA board it seems, Bush actually hadn't lied. There may have been misinterpretations, misunderstandings or pushing on the envelopes, but no lies.

And I don't want links. Tell me, exactly, when and where George W. Bush lied. Your gonna call a person a liar, so be it.

And btw/ please also cite the same lies told by Bill Clinton about Iraq (as he fired over 350 cruise missiles in 1998 to get rid of Saddam's nuclear, biological and chemical weapons programs), Kennedy, Kerry, H. Clinton, Edwards, the French, the Germans, Kofi Annan, they all must have lied as well.

Lets have the lies. And if they all lied, was there some grand conspiracy of liars? Oh yes, the intelligence was manufactured by Bush...err, except, much of it came from the Clinton era.

And btw/ as mentioned previously, a direct connection with 9/11 and Al Qaeda was not the reason to invade Iraq, but keep pushing that one as well.

Tinker


FOILED TERRORIST PLOTS

In his October 6th speech on the War on Terror at National Endowment for Democracy, President Bush said”

The United States and our partners have disrupted at least ten serious al Qaeda terrorist plots since September the 11th, including three al Qaeda plots to attack inside the United States.

The West Coast Airliner Plot: In mid-2002 the U.S. disrupted a plot to attack targets on the West Coast of the United States using hijacked airplanes. The plotters included at least one major operational planner involved in planning the events of 9/11.

The East Coast Airliner Plot: In mid-2003 the U.S. and a partner disrupted a plot to attack targets on the East Coast of the United States using hijacked commercial airplanes.

The Jose Padilla Plot: In May 2002 the U.S. disrupted a plot that involved blowing up apartment buildings in the United States. One of the plotters, Jose Padilla, also discussed the possibility of using a "dirty bomb" in the U.S.

IT'S A LIE

The plots that Bush claimed his administration disrupted actually had already been abandoned by the time they were discovered.

1. West Coast Airliner Plot. When the plot was disclosed last year, authorities said publicly that they had viewed the claims by captured Al Qaeda chieftain Khalid Shaikh Mohammed with skepticism. They said that, at best, the alleged plot was something that had been discussed but never put into action. By the time anybody knew about it, the threat — if there had been one — had passed, federal counter-terrorism officials said Friday. To take that and make it into a disrupted plot is just ludicrous," said one senior FBI official, who spoke on condition of anonymity in accordance with departmental guidelines. [LA Times 10/7/05]

2. East Coast Airliner Plot - Lyman Faris. Faris was an Ohio truck driver who pleaded guilty in June 2003 to two felony charges of supporting a foreign terrorist organization. He was charged with plotting to destroy the Brooklyn Bridge, but U.S. officials admitted that Faris had abandoned the plot because he deemed it unlikely to succeed. “After scouting the bridge and deciding its security and structure meant the plot was unlikely to succeed, he passed along a message to al Qaeda in early 2003 that said 'the weather is too hot.'” [CNN, 6/19/03]



3. Jose Padilla. “Paul Wolfowitz, Mr. Rumsfeld's deputy, stressed on Monday that 'there was not an actual plan' to set off a radioactive device in America and Padilla had not begun trying to acquire materials. Intelligence officials said his research had not gone beyond surfing the internet.” Since being detained in O'Hare airport in 2002, Padilla has not been charged with any crime or permitted to talk to a lawyer. [Daily Telegraph, 12/06/02; Washington Post, 9/10/05]

KATRINA LEVEES

I don't think anybody anticipated the breach of the levees. President Bush (09/01/05)

It really caught everybody by surprise" and was a major reason for the delay in the government's emergency response. Michael Chertoff (09/04/05)

That 'perfect storm' of a combination of catastrophes exceeded the foresight of the planners, and maybe anybody's foresight. Michael Chertoff (09/05/05)

IT'S A LIE

Responding to Bush's comments on Meet the Press, Dr. Ivor Van Heerden of the LSU Hurricane Center “I didn't buy that because, you know, we had discussed on numerous occasions that a worst-case scenario would be if we had one of these major hurricanes and then we lost the levee systems.” A White House advisor sat in on the “Hurricane Pam Exercise,” a computer simulation of the possible effects of a Category 3 hurricane on New Orleans. The exercise found that “…a storm like Hurricane Pam would: cause flooding that would leave 300,000 people trapped in New Orleans, many of whom would not have private transportation for evacuation.” [Meet the Press, 9/11/05]

CNN.com noted that "officials have warned for years that a Category 4 [hurricane] could cause the levees to fail." The CNN.com article added that in an August 31 interview on CNN's Larry King Live, Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) director Michael Brown said, "That Category 4 hurricane caused the same kind of damage that we anticipated. So we planned for it two years ago. Last year, we exercised it. And unfortunately this year, we're implementing it."

Additionally, as journalist Joshua Micah Marshall noted on Talking Points Memo, National Hurricane Center director Max Mayfield "talked about the force of Katrina during a video conference call to President Bush at his ranch in Crawford, Texas" on August 28 [St. Petersburg Times, 8/30/05]. The Washington Post quoted Mayfield on September 6: "They knew that this one was different. ... I don't think Mike Brown or anyone else in FEMA could have any reason to have any problem with our calls. ... They were told ... We said the levees could be topped."

On Meet the Press, Tim Russert pointed out that the Times-Picayune published a five-part series in June 2002, in which it warned that if a large hurricane hit New Orleans, the city's levees would likely be topped or broken -- resulting in catastrophic flooding and thousands of deaths. Russert added that "last summer FEMA, who reports to you, and the LSU Hurricane Center, and local and state officials did a simulated Hurricane Pam in which the levees broke. ... Thousands drowned." (Media Matters for America 09/08/05)

APPROPRIATIONS BILLS

“If you look at the appropriations bills that were passed under my watch, in the last year of President Clinton, discretionary spending was up 15 percent and ours have steadily declined.”

IT'S A LIE

Not even close. During his eight years, President Clinton increased domestic discretionary spending by 10 percent. In his last year, discretionary spending was up only 3 percent.

Under Bush discretionary spending has increased every single year and is now 31 percent higher than when he took office. He has increased domestic discretionary spending by 25 percent – or 2 ½ times the increase under eight years of Clinton. (19)

“MIDDLE-CLASS TAX CUT.”

The Bush administration has categorized its 2004 tax cut as a “middle-class tax cut.”

IT'S A LIE

The top 1/5th of earners receive 2/3rds of all benefits and the bill excluded extending the child tax credit to 4 million low income families who do not qualify. Middle class earners will receive an average cut of $162 in 2005.



MOST OF THE TAX CUTS WENT TO LOW AND MIDDLE INCOME AMERICANS

Most of the tax cuts went to low and middle income Americans, and now the tax code is more fair, 20 percent of the upper income people pay about 80 percent of the taxes in America today because of how we structured the tax cuts.

IT'S A LIE

In 2004, Top One Percent Will Receive Average Tax Cut Of $35,000; Middle Class Will Receive Average Tax Cut Of $647. The benefits of Bush's tax cuts primarily benefit the rich. The top one percent of households will receive tax cuts averaging almost $35,000--or 54 times more than middle-class families. Households with incomes above $1 million will receive tax cuts averaging about $123,600. (23)

Lovingly cut and pasted from BUSHLIES.NET which has copious sources and many more lies.

BUSHLIES.NET
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