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Author: Providence Two stars, 250 posts Old School Fool Add to my Favorite Fools Ignore this person (you won't see their posts anymore) Number: of 1955185  
Subject: Re: Junior's Flip-flopping Date: 7/23/2004 4:54 PM
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Anyway, laugh out loud. Stating, "I am a war President, I hope to be a peace President" is flip flopping in your mind.

And "I voted FOR the bill before I voted AGAINST the bill, is not."

Did you ever look into the context of Kerry's "flip-flop?"

Kerry Gets Some Help From GOP Senator
Los Angeles Times

Washington, DC — -

Sen. Charles Hagel of Nebraska on Sunday became the second Republican senator to break ranks with the Bush-Cheney campaign's characterization of John F. Kerry, the presumptive Democratic nominee, as soft on defense issues.


Hagel joined fellow Vietnam veteran Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) in criticizing ads sponsored by the Bush campaign that call Kerry, a senator from Massachusetts who also is a Vietnam veteran, "weak on defense."

"The facts just don't measure [up to]the rhetoric," Hagel said on ABC's "This Week."

One ad includes video footage of Kerry in West Virginia last week, responding to a charge that he had failed to support U.S. troops in Iraq by opposing the $87-billion military funding bill last fall. "I actually did vote for the $87 billion, before I voted against it," he said — a phrase the Bush campaign seized upon as showing the Massachusetts senator flip-flopping on issues.

"You can take a guy like John Kerry, who's been in the Senate for 19 years, and go through that voting record," Hagel said. "You can take it with … any of us, and pick out different votes, and then try to manufacture something around that."

Kerry's staff said he was trying to indicate his support for an amendment funding the appropriation from increased taxes on the wealthiest Americans. When that amendment failed, he voted against the bill.


Discussing the Bush campaign charges, McCain told the "Today" show on Thursday, "I do not believe that he is, quote, weak on defense. He's responsible for his voting record, as we are all responsible for our records, and he'll have to explain it. But, no, I do not believe that he is necessarily weak on defense."


In this context, how does Kerry's vote constitute a flip-flop? The content of the bill changed, so Kerry changed his vote.

A robber comes up to you and says, Give me your money. You say, I will not. The robber puts a gun to your head and says, Give me your money now. You say, Okay...

Is that, to you, a flip-flop?

Providence

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