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Author: ResNullius Big gold star, 5000 posts Old School Fool Add to my Favorite Fools Ignore this person (you won't see their posts anymore) Number: of 726480  
Subject: Balanced? BS! Date: 12/31/2012 3:29 PM
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Obama is going to get everything he wants. Increased taxes and tons of new spending, with spending cuts "to come later." Only...he now says that the spending cuts will have to balanced against new tax increases on the wealthy in order to produce a balanced plan. Bottom line: Tax increases now, then more tax increases later and the possibility of minimal spending. Look, the new taxes being proposed won't impact me one bit, so my only complaint is the fact there aren't any real spending cuts. But now, to hear Obama plainly say that he's going to demand more tax increases in order to agree to spending cuts down the road is just plain rediculous. How could anyone with a brain have voted for this POS.
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Author: JoshRandall Big gold star, 5000 posts Add to my Favorite Fools Ignore this person (you won't see their posts anymore) Number: 663060 of 726480
Subject: Re: Balanced? BS! Date: 12/31/2012 4:57 PM
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How could anyone with a brain have voted for this POS.

How could anyone have voted for the RINO's and Country Club Republicans who are stupid enough to keep letting this happen?


Republicans are eunuchs and they not only will never get another vote from me, but I'm going to vote democrat in the hopes that the sooner we reach the point of total destruction, the better. Too many low-information voters simply have not felt the inevitable pain which comes from socialist policies based upon envy. They don't even know we have a problem so they don't think anything needs to change. The sooner they feel the devatstation and tie it to democrat and liberal policies, the sooner we get to restoring our country to its founding principles.

Until then, I'm done with republicans.

Vote democrat! Assure destruction ASAP. It's got to get much worse before it can get better. Once middle class voters start to feel the inevitable financial pinch which will come, then and only then will they realize that there is a problem with big government socialists and and the central planners and tinkerers. Realization that you have a problem is the first step to recovery. Let's get there as fast as we can because one thing we know for sure, the republican party will not do anything meaningful or courageous to change the direction we are headed. They have sold out and are much too interested in being admired and accepted by MSM and liberal intelligencia and much too interested in keeping their jobs than in doing what is right for the country and administering the tough love and tough medicine necessary to restore our country to its roots.

These spinless republicans who are caving make me want to puke. I will never trust them again. They are too damned stupid to keep falling for the same democrat con of raising taxes NOW for spending cuts LATER, which never materialize.

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Subject: Re: Balanced? BS! Date: 12/31/2012 5:00 PM
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Until then, I'm done with republicans.

The ink is not dry on the deal yet. Obama's spiking the football at his presser today MAY just be the thing to make them finally see the light. If they cave on this, I'm voting Libertarian.

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Author: CelloSpice Big gold star, 5000 posts Old School Fool Add to my Favorite Fools Ignore this person (you won't see their posts anymore) Number: 663064 of 726480
Subject: Re: Balanced? BS! Date: 12/31/2012 5:20 PM
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These spinless republicans who are caving make me want to puke. I will never trust them again. They are too damned stupid to keep falling for the same democrat con of raising taxes NOW for spending cuts LATER, which never materialize.



Do you think it is possible they are supporting your plan of total destruction as soon as possible?


I don't care if the Republicans support the Democratic plan, as long as they make sure the message is clear that this IS the Democratic plan so that the Democrats get the blame when it all comes crashing down.

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Author: JoshRandall Big gold star, 5000 posts Add to my Favorite Fools Ignore this person (you won't see their posts anymore) Number: 663068 of 726480
Subject: Re: Balanced? BS! Date: 12/31/2012 5:26 PM
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If they cave on this, I'm voting Libertarian.

I certainly understand your vote for a liberarian. But to me that's a status quo vote. There are always a small number of folks who vote libertarian for President. I admire the stand on principle, but it won't really change the outcome of an election. I used to ask libertarians to vote republican and given so many close elections, and the probability that the vast majority of libertarians side more with republicans than democrats for obvious reasons, that by doing so would more republicans would get elected. And I thought, as a conservative that the republican party stood for the same principles as most conservatives did, at least that's what they said when they opened their mouths to speak. But their actions and inactions have led me to learn that republicans only talk conservative but govern as moderates and democrat lites. This is not good for the country. So now, I believe that real change will only come about if we make sure that one party, the democrat party, is able to have complete control and allow their policies to bring the country to its knees. That's why I am going to help democrats. If libertarians would join me, we together could assure a filibuster-proof democrat Senate, a vast majority of democrats in the House, and a democrat President. Look, republicans have demonstrated, as they will in a day or two, and in a couple of months when they cave on the debt ceiling (AGAIN) that they simply are ineffective and allow themsleves to be snookered and they cannot get the job done. They cave at every turn. We didn't vote for them to bend over for 0bama and the dems which they have been doing over and over, we voted for them to fight against them and for us, for America, for conservative principles. They are impotent and they do their best to convince us that they really care about conservative and constitutional principles and we buy into their phony words even though time-after-time they continue to act in ways which contradict their words. Look at what we've been served up: Dole, McCain, Romney, Boehner, Grahm, and the rest who did not do the right thing during the first debt ceiling "crises" and will not do the right thing now or during the next debt ceiling "crisis." All of these cowards tried their best to convince the republican base that they were conservatives and would stand up to the left and yet we all knew better but we bought into the lie.

No more. They have lost my vote forever or until the party reemerges as a genuine conservative party with genuine conservatives running it, running for office, winning and governing.

You can't really believe can you that the republicans are going to get any meaningful spending cuts in the next 48 hours, or any real cuts, not phony cuts that 0bama just claimed today that he did - over a trillion dollars he crowed about?

You are smarter than than wolf, much smarter.

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Author: JoshRandall Big gold star, 5000 posts Add to my Favorite Fools Ignore this person (you won't see their posts anymore) Number: 663069 of 726480
Subject: Re: Balanced? BS! Date: 12/31/2012 5:46 PM
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Do you think it is possible they are supporting your plan of total destruction as soon as possible?

No.

I don't care if the Republicans support the Democratic plan, as long as they make sure the message is clear that this IS the Democratic plan so that the Democrats get the blame when it all comes crashing down.

Once 0bama and the dems get just ONE republican vote for their legislation, when the legislation fails, they will claim they had bipartisan support. This would be a slam dunk for 0bama to blame republicans and the dupes and lemmings would swallow it whole.

And 0bama has the audacity to claim that republicans are intransigent and aren't willing to compromise. Who was it that rammed 0-care down the throats of the American people, who at that time DID NOT WANT 0-care, and not one republican voted for it and were characterized as obstructionists because 0bama didn't get all he wanted, for example, a singer payer system? Republicans coldn't have obstructed 0-care if they tried, it was because of democrats that 0 didn't get 100% of what he wanted, yet republicans got blamed and it stuck. Republicans will always get blamed and it will always stick.

Republicans, as you suggest, can attempt to get the message out that they had nothing to do with the democrat plan (which would be true) so that, in their estimation, the democrats will get the blame, but 0bama will, as he has so masterfully done to republicans over and over, turn it around on them, claim it was their fault, and it will stick because he has the MSM helping him perpetrate the deceit and fraud.

Republicans just are not very good at political warfare while the democrats play merciless and ruthless hardball and do and say anything to get elected and they are masters at demonizing their opponents and this works. Republicans in response refuse to play their game of hardball for fear of being accused as a racist, or heartless rich people who want to throw granny over the cliff. Repubs play nice with democrats and it always backfires but they continue with this strategy election-after-election anyway. Frankly they are just too obtuse and squishy about standing up for their principles - if they have any anymore.

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Author: CelloSpice Big gold star, 5000 posts Old School Fool Add to my Favorite Fools Ignore this person (you won't see their posts anymore) Number: 663073 of 726480
Subject: Re: Balanced? BS! Date: 12/31/2012 6:03 PM
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Once 0bama and the dems get just ONE republican vote for their legislation, when the legislation fails, they will claim they had bipartisan support. This would be a slam dunk for 0bama to blame republicans and the dupes and lemmings would swallow it whole.


What happens if the Republicans all vote "present" can the legislation still pass? Then it would get only Democratic votes for or against, either way, it floats or sinks based on Democratic votes only.

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Author: JoshRandall Big gold star, 5000 posts Add to my Favorite Fools Ignore this person (you won't see their posts anymore) Number: 663082 of 726480
Subject: Re: Balanced? BS! Date: 12/31/2012 6:27 PM
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What happens if the Republicans all vote "present" can the legislation still pass? Then it would get only Democratic votes for or against, either way, it floats or sinks based on Democratic votes only.

That's a plausible option and in a world of thinking people who use logic, one would expect that everyone would understand the blame should lie squarely in the democrats' court; however, we don't live in a world of thinking people who employ logic but who believe anything anyone tells them regardless of whether or not it is true.

Never underestimate the sophistry, deceit, and ability to twist a truth into a lie of people like 0bama and the democrats. Somehow, even if repubs voted 100% "present" 0bama, the master of deceit, would turn it around. Plus, he keeps giving free stuff and the recipients don't give a whit about deficits or irresponsible and reckless government.

Democrats need to own their government policies and the only way is if they have complete control for a decade or two. When the folks learn that they are becoming slaves to government, only then will things turn around and the dems will have no one else to blame.

Of course, the alternative would be to have some republicans with some cajones and take full advantage of the leverage they have left and refuse to deal with the President unless he meets THEIR demands. Let the sequestration happen. Refuse to raise the debt ceiling one penny. The media and the world will go nuts and say that the sky will fall and the end of civilization is at hand, but real change would occur and the repubs would assure future victory. But you and I both know that will not happen.

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Subject: Re: Balanced? BS! Date: 12/31/2012 6:31 PM
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What happens if the Republicans all vote "present" can the legislation still pass? Then it would get only Democratic votes for or against, either way, it floats or sinks based on Democratic votes only.

I think that's exactly what Repubs should do.

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Subject: Re: Balanced? BS! Date: 12/31/2012 10:03 PM
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I don't care if the Republicans support the Democratic plan, as long as they make sure the message is clear that this IS the Democratic plan so that the Democrats get the blame when it all comes crashing down. - Cello

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"Making it Clear" would be fine if that was actually attainable. The emergence of the low information voter presents a dilema. How do you reason with people who don't care and don't pay attention.

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Subject: Re: Balanced? BS! Date: 1/1/2013 9:52 AM
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"Making it Clear" would be fine if that was actually attainable. The emergence of the low information voter presents a dilema. How do you reason with people who don't care and don't pay attention.
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Let's be honest, the Republican Party is run by idiots

Yes they have a media that will not put their message out, and the low info voter will get only a hint of what they say, and that hint will be distorted beyond reason. There is really little doubt about that

But look at the last election. Now I thought Romney was the right person to be President, I thought he had the skill-set to get things done.

That said, the party itself has to know its' problem is in message, did anyone think Romney was the great communicator? Did anyone think Ryan was the ultimate person to add from a communication perspective? Now it is not my job to win elections, but how can a party back a candidate to the hilt that has a weakness a gross obvious weakness where there needed to be a point of strength

If we are going to talk not ideas, not ability to govern, not track record but messaging. The Republicans are terrible with no hint of improving. They do not have t worry to much about their message -- nobody is going to hear it anyway, until they have an uber-competent messenger. Whatever they have to say, they need someone to say it well.

Obama is terrible to be honest. But he has a press that runs interference as well as does clean-up after the debacle with his press conferences. Republicans have the opposite, they need a real communicator someone who understands they are in a fight every time they speak.

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Subject: Re: Balanced? BS! Date: 1/1/2013 12:55 PM
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"Making it Clear" would be fine if that was actually attainable. The emergence of the low information voter presents a dilema. How do you reason with people who don't care and don't pay attention.

Why can't Boehner go on "Meet the Press" for a full hour, like Owebama just did, and explain the problem?

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Subject: Re: Balanced? BS! Date: 1/1/2013 1:03 PM
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"Making it Clear" would be fine if that was actually attainable. The emergence of the low information voter presents a dilema. How do you reason with people who don't care and don't pay attention.

Why can't Boehner go on "Meet the Press" for a full hour, like Owebama just did, and explain the problem?
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Because the low info voters do not watch Meet the Press. All they see if anything is selected highlights, and rather than the one time the guest looks good being the clip on TV as you get with Obama, you would get the one clip of Boehner that taken out of context which makes him and the Republicans look bad although he was outstanding for the other 59 minutes and 33 seconds.

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Subject: Re: Balanced? BS! Date: 1/1/2013 1:27 PM
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Because the low info voters do not watch Meet the Press.

OK, then how about PSA (public service announcements) similar to this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ub_a2t0ZfTs

This is your country.

This is debt being racked up by entitlement programs.

Any questions?

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Subject: Re: Balanced? BS! Date: 1/1/2013 1:48 PM
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This is your country.

This is debt being racked up by entitlement programs.

Any questions?
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Incredibly expensive and questionably effective in the face of every TV station save one making fun of your commercials to the low info voters not only on the news shows, but on sitcoms, Cop shows, Doctor Dramas, talk shows etc

What the GOP needs to do IMO, is work to get one or two networks of their own and run programs that counter the drumbeat of the MSM message. Where there 3-4 stations that went un-MSM rather than FOX there might be a change in the works for messaging on the grand scale

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Subject: Re: Balanced? BS! Date: 1/1/2013 5:34 PM
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"...Obama is going to get everything he wants. Increased taxes and tons of new spending, with spending cuts "to come later."..."
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Not the first time the Democialists have done this ...
'Cuts will come later..." B.S.

Never do.
Last time I think it was even before -> "Base Line budgeting"

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Subject: Re: Balanced? BS! Date: 1/1/2013 7:45 PM
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Last time I think it was even before -> "Base Line budgeting"
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I remember that!

Ho hum.

arrete

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Subject: Re: Balanced? BS! Date: 1/3/2013 8:56 AM
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Look, the new taxes being proposed won't impact me one bit, so my only complaint is the fact there aren't any real spending cuts.

Payroll taxes are going up from 4.2% to 6.2%, so anyone getting paid (over the table) is getting a 2% haircut in the form of payroll taxes. So, yup, my taxes went up hundreds of dollars.

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