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Subject: Best Places in the World to Live Date: 1/10/2010 10:09 PM
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Honolulu is the first US city on the list at number 29.

http://images.businessweek.com/ss/09/04/0428_best_places_to_...

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Subject: Re: Best Places in the World to Live Date: 1/10/2010 10:26 PM
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Is Business week some sort of socialist party mouthpiece?

Canada, Canada, Canada, Germany, Germany, Germany, Australia, Australia, Australia... With 307 million people compared to the populations of those other countries you'd think we'd be able to field at least 15 of those 30

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Subject: Re: Best Places in the World to Live Date: 1/10/2010 11:03 PM
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Ummmm. Paging through the list, a few broad categories of cities seemed to emerge naturally:


Dusseldorf, Munich, Frankfurt, Berlin ---- Cities that doted on and supported Adolph Hitler & would have been conquered by the Soviets but for the United States and Britain.


Vienna, Copenhagen, Amsterdam Cities conquered by Der Feuhrer and only recaptured because of the Brits and the United States, which would have been captured by the Soviet Union but for the Brits and the United States


Zurich, Geneva and others --- cities that avoided being conquered by Der Feuhrer because they cringingly did whatever Der Feuhrer wanted to avoid invasion (not that I blame them).


Sydney, Wellington, Auckland and other such cities----- avoided being captured and raped by the Japanese (literally, no doubt) because the United States acted to protect them

That leaves Vancouver, Toronto and such which not only avoided risk of invasion by tyrannical powers, but did their share to preserve or restore the freedom of the rest of the world by being allied with the Brits and United States in defeating Hitler, Japan and the Soviet Union. While this was because of the fortunate act of being neighbors of the United States and part of the British Empire, they still get credit for that.

Most of these cities are like hothouse flowers, grown under the protection of the economic, political and military protection of the United States. I don't doubt the flowers are mightily attractive, but the reason they exist in such glory is due more to the energy and wisdom of the gardeners who have cared for them and protected them than what they represent themselves.

And let us also give pause to the The United States of America for promoting a system of more or less free enterprise and world trade which flourished around the world and which has mightily contributed to the wealth and well being of all those cities and many more.

The few places where the writ of the US Navy doesn't run, such as off the coast of Somalia and Antartica where pirates attack innocent shipping and whalers illustrate how rapidly that system of world trade could unravel.

So pretty much all of these cities are American cities in important fundamentals. Without the benefit of American power and wisdom in using it, most of these cities would be blighted and conquered or cringing to various conquerors.

Let us toast The United States Of America, and the United Kingdom and Canada which had the courage, wealth and political wisdom which have given the world a true golden age unrivaled in world history, allowing so many remarkable cities to flourish, and billions to prosper.

For all the mistakes that have been made from time to time, that's a bottom line that deserves enormous credit for it's achievements.




Seattle Pioneer

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Subject: Re: Best Places in the World to Live Date: 1/10/2010 11:04 PM
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Is Business week some sort of socialist party mouthpiece?

Canada, Canada, Canada, Germany, Germany, Germany, Australia, Australia, Australia... With 307 million people compared to the populations of those other countries you'd think we'd be able to field at least 15 of those 30


I don't know about the listing but as far as the S word, not sure if you're being ironic? I thought only the Republi-chickenhawk-teabag-going-rogue etc crowd though that Germany, Austria (Vienna) etc are "socialist" ;-)

As for the listing, it may be more urban populations, "grass is greener on the other side" or less sprawl and other criteria..though I have to admit that while lower US ratings in healthcare, paid time off and lots of other things don't surprise me, I was a bit surprised we didn't have a US city in the top 28..

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Subject: Re: Best Places in the World to Live Date: 1/10/2010 11:09 PM
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Worse than I thought,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_statutory_minimum_emplo...

Ouch. ouch, ouch, ouch. No wonder half the country wants to FIRE..not that there's anything wrong with FIREing, I'm a hopeful, but the national obsession with it may have something to do with the above chart, don't you think?

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Subject: Re: Best Places in the World to Live Date: 1/10/2010 11:14 PM
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Looks like if you want to speak English, you have a choice of Vancouver, Calgary, Toronto, Ottawa in Canada...or in Australia or New Zealand.....and Singapore.

You likely can't afford half the places unless you make $120K or more a year...Europe is horribly expensive.

Speak Swedish? Norwegian?

About 6 or 8 of the places are in Germany...I'd have to relearn my German...... Munich, Hamburg, Frankfurt, Berlin.....Vienna..

A couple in Switzerland.....Geneva and Bern...

About half of them half miserable, cold, long....did I say long? winters.....Stockholm, Oslo....most of Europe......cold....bitter cold...snow....

Calgary? 50 below zero....miserable...howling winds....worse than Fargo ND and that is pretty bad......

Honolulu? Ya gotta be nuts..the traffic jams there are legendary. THe place is swarming with tourists running up prices and making a mess of things.....

'best places' to live? WHy? For 'city life'?

No thanks...

and obviously it means nothing for 'retired folks'. I guess 'socialized medicine' was a primary driver.......of the selection process.

And what's funny is if you move there...there is no way that you are then magically going to live the 'normal life expectancy' of anywhere...

NOw, Baghdad you can have......or Sana in Yemen.....Or Tehran in Iran.....or the capital of North Korea.....


t.

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Subject: Re: Best Places in the World to Live Date: 1/10/2010 11:15 PM
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Is Business week some sort of socialist party mouthpiece?

Canada, Canada, Canada, Germany, Germany, Germany, Australia, Australia, Australia... With 307 million people compared to the populations of those other countries you'd think we'd be able to field at least 15 of those 30 - FCorelli

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My younger sister, Robin (age 51) seems to like living in Sweden. She's been living there for 4 years now and has no intentions of moving back to the United States. I thought for sure she'd get tired of the cold, snow, and long dreary dark winters fairly quickly and move back to Georgia but she actually seems fairly happy there. Strange but true.

I have a much older sister, Valerie, that turns 70 years old this year that lives in Kankakee, Illinois, surrounded by her kids and 10 grandkids, that likes living there. They help one another and are a very close knit family gathering together at Valerie's house for birthdays, holidays, and dinners. Valerie and her kids have lived in Kankakee pretty much their entire lives and will never leave. Two of her daughters are married to Mexicans and have a bunch of kids.

My brother John is a migratory beekeeper. He was born in 1944 so he will turn 66 this year. In the winter he lives in South Georgia near the Okefenokee Swamp and in the summer he moves his bees to Northern Michigan near Lake Michigan to make Basswood and Thistle honey. His Philipino wife and son really like Northern Michigan and every year don't want to go back to South Georgia.

I have another sister, Linda, that retired this year from EPA that lives in Georgia near Athens. She has two young adult daughters. One lives with her and is working on a Masters Degree in Special Education and the other one is finishing up a Bachelors degree in Psychology. She is hoping to find a job in Human resources with a company. The one that lives at home also works full time at an Elementary School working with Special Education students. She all ready has a bachelors in Science Education with a Special Education add-on.

And we live in Middle Tennessee near Bonnie's family and are working on paying off this house soon. I told Bonnie a paid off mortgage is a necessity for retirement. Don't want to be making house payments when you are retired.

You can be happy anywhere as long as the people who you love and love you are near by.

That is my theory anyway and I'm sticking to it.

Art

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Subject: Re: Best Places in the World to Live Date: 1/10/2010 11:20 PM
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"I don't know about the listing but as far as the S word, not sure if you're being ironic? I thought only the Republi-chickenhawk-teabag-going-rogue etc crowd though that Germany, Austria (Vienna) etc are "socialist" ;-)"

Austria has a national 'pension system'...that is going bust..they just raised the retirement age for younger folks to age 70......

Austria and Germany and Holland and Belgium have 'socialized medicine." Same for France. Those countries are run by unions....

Luxemburg...well, it has escaped but is horrendously expensive and you can't move there....

Germany is trying to throw off the liberal yoke...but it is hard.... Heck, the gov't controls when stores may or may not be open. Sets the hours.

You can't sell discount books in the country. Must charge 'list price'. Period......

Gas is $7 or 8/gal...due to the greenies.....

It's lib land run amok....taxes are horrendous..then add in VAT on top of that, mandatory health care payments out of your check..fat pension bite in checks....

Real estate? Through the roof....

And you can't even get in to half the countries to live as a 'resident'....

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Subject: Re: Best Places in the World to Live Date: 1/10/2010 11:23 PM
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You can be happy anywhere as long as the people who you love and love you are near by.

That is my theory anyway and I'm sticking to it.

Art


This is my general principle also. Only in my case NOT living near family is a plus. I've lived many places in many different environments. Yes I have a preference for some thing over others but the operational fact is once you are established in a place and have your day to day life in gear most places are pretty much alike

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Subject: Re: Best Places in the World to Live Date: 1/10/2010 11:56 PM
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Honolulu is the first US city on the list at number 29.

http://images.businessweek.com/ss/09/04/0428_best_places_to_......

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No places from UK, France, Italy, Spain? I will have to buy the magazine to find the methodology.

San Francisco 30.

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Subject: Re: Best Places in the World to Live Date: 1/11/2010 7:32 PM
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Well, Portland should be on it!

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