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>> Last night, Mitt Romney told CNN's Wolf Blitzer Big Bird will be just fine and explained the need to focus on real issue like 23 million people being out of work. <<
http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2012/10/10/romney_...

Video at link.

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I'll play devil's advocate here a bit. Although nobody would like to see funding for PBS and NPR cut off completely of taxpayer subsidies more than me, it's a drop in the bucket compared to defense and entitlement spending.

What we need is an across the board cut in gov't spending. No exceptions. And that includes military.

Cut it 10% now. Then freeze the budget until we at least get the national debt back under 5 trillion.


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I'll play devil's advocate here a bit. Although nobody would like to see funding for PBS and NPR cut off completely of taxpayer subsidies more than me, it's a drop in the bucket compared to defense and entitlement spending.

What we need is an across the board cut in gov't spending. No exceptions. And that includes military.
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I could not disagree more vehemently.

Not that I do not agree that we should see spending across the board end up cut.

We should be applying the exact test Romney outlines, on every single thing we do. Not just cut funding and let some dept head take the hit.

PBS, NPR? Gone, they can not be justified, there are too many choices and are a vestige of a time long gone. We have too too many choices and operation far smaller than anything popular on either site is able to survive easily. Big Bird is going nowhere other than the Kiddie Dev channel with Arthur and Dora et al

Defense cuts should be made on finding things that need to be cut and cutting them, not playing games. The curs should end up more than 10 percent. But should not be done on things that we can cut short term but will need to be put back in 4 years and then some because of the harm done short term -- which is what an across the board cut will be used to do. This is not a new technique.

Romney's idea of getting rid of most Education at the Federal level with a few high level guidelines and sending money out is fine. IT will cut a lot of spending both at the federal and save money at the local level

Let's justify each EPA ruling. We can cut costs and wring a lot of disincentives from the system, cutting spending and increasing productivity simultaneously.

Force the damn government to govern. Stop doing other stuff, until you get the existing stuff under control. Cut back and keep cutting back until you are at sensible. You find silly but some action, rescind and replace.

Across the board cuts are absurd, but guarantee NOTHING but working on straightening out the current spaghetti that is the federal government. Untangle and streamline it. Cut what makes little sense, farm out what should not be done by government, cut everywhere, especially the budgets of Congressmen and Senators who are involved it tooooo much already and need to do less, not be funded to do more.

Why is government doing any training at all? DO businesses not know what they actually need? Does anyone believe that these programs actually help anywhere near the spending level they are at?

We need government to make sense. What happens with across the board cuts? Everyone tries to cut something that will cause pain so the funding comes back ASAP, it is a suckers bet from my experience.
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lowstudent wrote: What we need is an across the board cut in gov't spending. No exceptions. And that includes military.

I think Romney's device to aid decision making is reasonable for cost-CUTTING purposes. From his website:

As president, Mitt Romney will ask a simple question about every federal program: is it so important, so critical, that it is worth borrowing money from China to pay for it?

Is it important and critical to borrow money from China to pay for the military? I would say yes.

Is it important and critical to borrow money from China to pay for PBS? I would say no.

There will be a lot of wrangling in Congress about what constitutes important and critical enough to borrow money from China to pay for it, but at least the question will be asked, whereas it's not even asked now. We have borrowed ourselves to the point of obliteration because the question was not even asked--ever.

After the first question is asked, the next question would be, "How can we get the most bang for the taxpayers' buck?" Then cost-SAVINGS measures should be implemented as if our lives depended on it. Because they do.
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lowstudent wrote: What we need is an across the board cut in gov't spending. No exceptions. And that includes military.
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Just for the record, that's something I responded to from Decath and disagree with a good deal.

I agree with Romney's criteria, and hope that it is used to get far more than 10 percent in cuts fairly quickly, But small insanely obvious stuff like NPR/PBS, Cowboy poetry, turtle tunnels and the like go first.
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"Cut it 10% now. Then freeze the budget until we at least get the national debt back under 5 trillion." - decath

That's actually sort of what I was thinking. Cut the whole damn mess. The other day when I was doing the dishes I was sort of thinking how I'd deal with the deficit and get the Federal Government budget back to reality.

One of the things I pride myself in is being able to live within a budget. Live within my means so to speak. I've always been good at it. The whole entire time Bonnie and I have been married we've never been in debt and have always been able to pay our bills. A guy at church told me the other day that he and his wife were 2 months behind on their bills. He said to me "I bet you don't know what that feels like." I had to admit that "No" I don't. This guy puts in flooring for a living. He and his father have a company that does floors.

Anyway, back to the Federal Budget, I was going over in my mind how to get them back on track. What I'd do? I was thinking first thing was to cut everything 10%. Right across the board. Then what I'd do is go through all the different programs and see what we could live without. What was really a waste, and then I'd cut that. I'd make it my priority if I were the President.

I'd get us out of the Mideast. Let them work it out amongst themselves. Slit each others throats if they want to. I really don't care. It's none of our damn business. We'd have to learn to live with whatever oil we could buy on the world market and pay whatever price for oil the world market commands.

I guarantee you I'd get the Federal deficit headed in the right direction.

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"Big Bird is going nowhere other than the Kiddie Dev channel with Arthur and Dora et al" - lowstudent


Whoa! You want to get rid of "Arthur?" What are you Satan?


Arthur
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We need government to make sense. What happens with across the board cuts? Everyone tries to cut something that will cause pain so the funding comes back ASAP, it is a suckers bet from my experience.


As Perot used to say, "here's the deal". I think Mitt's proprosals are great and I will be behind him 100% after he is elected <g>. But I've been around long enough to know that Mitt's programs will be immediately chastised as baby/female/elderly/gay/black/Hispanic murdering machines by the dems and media. The fools in America will believe them. The dems will fillibuster any attempted spending cuts. They don't care. They want their Euro socialism and they will watch us melt to the ground financially until they get it.

In the 80's I saw the Reagan revolution that promised us a balanced budget turn into additional trillions of $ added to the debt.

I witnessed Perot in 92 and 96 try to talk some fiscal sense in America to no avail.

In the 1990's we had the 94 Republican revolution, massive tax inflows into gov't thanks to a strong economy, a direct benefit of Reagan's economic policies. We still added to the deficit. The 94 Repub revolution slowed Clinton and his dopes down some, but not much.

In the 2000's, we've justified massive gov't growth, defense spending and other spending based on terrorism and the banking crisis. We are at 16 trillion.

We will never learn. I don't even think we have the ballbearings to cut spending 1% across the board. It will never happen.

I'll be excited when Mitt beats our current Marxist leader. But I have little hope that things will turn around much as far as the debt is concerned.

Obamacare is going to speed things up and make it worse. Thanks John Roberts for wimping out on us.

The time bomb is ticking and getting close to exploding. Probably somewhere between 20 & 25 trillion.

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As Perot used to say, "here's the deal". I think Mitt's proprosals are great and I will be behind him 100% after he is elected <g>. But I've been around long enough to know that Mitt's programs will be immediately chastised as baby/female/elderly/gay/black/Hispanic murdering machines by the dems and media.
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Totally. Get ready. It's already happening. A Facebook friend just posted an article about a congressional debate in my district, it was about medicare and how to pay for it, you know the drill, dems say we need to have "millionaires and billionaires" pay more, and republicans want to end the suspense and just roll granny off a cliff. Well Facebook guy said, "if any of my friends in the northern suburbs vote for this teabagging do*chebag we can't be friends anymore". This same person regularly posts that no one should post about politics, i'm not kidding.
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"Big Bird is going nowhere other than the Kiddie Dev channel with Arthur and Dora et al" - lowstudent


Whoa! You want to get rid of "Arthur?" What are you Satan?


Arthur
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You think the yonguns don't need a cooking show?
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"Big Bird is going nowhere other than the Kiddie Dev channel with Arthur and Dora et al" - lowstudent
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"Whoa! You want to get rid of "Arthur?" What are you Satan?" - Arthur
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"You think the yonguns don't need a cooking show? - lowstudent

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So you're saying we put Arthur to work on a cooking show? Or we could have Arthur, Dora, and Big Bird all on one cooking show working together to make healthy meals for kids. If they were on the Food Channel they wouldn't even have to be supported by the Federal Government. They'd be self supporting. Get off the dole.


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We will never learn. I don't even think we have the ballbearings to cut spending 1% across the board. It will never happen.
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Decath,

I have no doubt that we are close on our beliefs regarding the country as well as our doubts about getting there.

My thinking is simply I want whatever we do, nominal or grandiose to be good. More importantly hard to reverse.

An across the board cut, again from my personal experience, and frankly my own actions as a man with a budget. When faced with this type of action, you cut something that needs to be put back, otherwise the cut is permanent and your flexibility is limited.
You cut something you can do without short term, that will bite you in the butt in a little bit and someone has to fund later.
That is why I want program cuts, not stuff directors and agencies can doctor to work that way.

Once you get rid of something, it is required to actually justify it to get it back, emasculate a program and it works poorly until it becomes a problem and it makes sense to make it actually work.

That is my objection in particular to across the board cuts; Washington agreed to them in an emergency because they KNOW the above, and they can deal with a short term hit.

We need to demand real action. Not make believe short term bandages; because bandages are great for a wound, but bad for an infection and out problem is infection.
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This same person regularly posts that no one should post about politics, i'm not kidding.
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You too?

I have a friend from childhood. Just caught up with him on FB

First thing I read is a response to another of my old hood friends who is pro-Romney on who knows what political thing. Major keep politics off Facebook, this is not the forum we are here to catch up and share....

VERY NEXT thing on his wall is a why conservatives are evil link

It really is pretty amazing. The PA types are actually nothing special apparently just run of the mill liberal orthodoxy
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So you're saying we put Arthur to work on a cooking show? Or we could have Arthur, Dora, and Big Bird all on one cooking show working together to make healthy meals for kids.
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Not that I don't think you are a good guy, and I have no problem with you working with Dora

But I would NEVER put you in the same studio as big bird, the kids might never recover!
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So you're saying we put Arthur to work on a cooking show? Or we could have Arthur, Dora, and Big Bird all on one cooking show working together to make healthy meals for kids. If they were on the Food Channel they wouldn't even have to be supported by the Federal Government. They'd be self supporting. Get off the dole.
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Only if the show includes Cookie Monster.

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That is my objection in particular to across the board cuts; Washington agreed to them in an emergency because they KNOW the above, and they can deal with a short term hit.

We need to demand real action. Not make believe short term bandages; because bandages are great for a wound, but bad for an infection and out problem is infection.


I agree. I preach it all the time to libs in the office and my family. But I'm so skeptical of human nature that I'm not getting my hopes up. Obama just spent over 5 trillion and libs still worship him like he is JC #2.


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I agree. I preach it all the time to libs in the office and my family. But I'm so skeptical of human nature that I'm not getting my hopes up. Obama just spent over 5 trillion and libs still worship him like he is JC #2.
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I do not disagree.

It is my belief the biggest change that could be made with the biggest immediate impact would be making eduction voucher driven.

I think controlling the education system is such a big boon to liberalism.

Not merely that they are indoctrinating the next generation, but it puts folks in a subordinate position to an entire system that is run by uberlibs.

Were the ability to choose schools there, I think a great many would find more conservative outlets for their children's educations. That would lead them to many meetings that would no longer skew liberal -- that would lead them to children that would no longer expect parents to largely support teachers that are teaching a liberal curriculum and parents often subjugating their own beliefs because their children doing well is more important to them than some petty indoctrination.

The acceptance of this indoctrination leads them to accept a lot in other venues they would find objectionable. Because immersion is an effective technique to making you accept the unacceptable.

There is a reason there is a large home school movement, and a lot of parents paying twice for education, once through taxes and a second time because they have to refuse the education that they paid for and buy one they find acceptable(I know I did that)

I think education reform could be a huge game changer. Making a far bigger change on societal level than the mere obvious of actual educating children.
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decath wrote: Obama just spent over 5 trillion and libs still worship him like he is JC #2.

Think about it!! How in the world can such gross presidential malpractice be justified? On this basis ALONE, he should be run out of Washington on a rail.
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Think about it!! How in the world can such gross presidential malpractice be justified? On this basis ALONE, he should be run out of Washington on a rail.


It's mind boggling...to be sure.

Between me, you and the other Christians on the board...the only thing that I can come up with is that they are spiritually influenced from the darkside because it defies logic. I mean even a liberal can't be that stupid! <g>

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Between me, you and the other Christians on the board...the only thing that I can come up with is that they are spiritually influenced from the darkside because it defies logic. I mean even a liberal can't be that stupid! <g>

decath


Hey 2828, who was Gardenbunny's counterpart? I can't remember what you came up with.

Whoever it is, the liberals are obviously influenced by it. <g>

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Hey 2828, who was Gardenbunny's counterpart?

Not 2828, but I think it was Pink Flamingo.

--fleg
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Not 2828, but I think it was Pink Flamingo.

--fleg


Pink Flamingo? Did you come up with that?

Aaaaaaaaaaaalllllllllrighty then.

Pink Flamingo it is.

Liberals are influenced by that dastardly pinkish apparition. It's the only explanation. <g>

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Not 2828, but I think it was Pink Flamingo.

--fleg
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I was kin of rooting for EvilBoWeevil
(sure it's boll weevil, but...)
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Pink Flamingo! Now you're being ridiculous. GlitterySquirrel and NonGlitteryOpossum got in a fight and NonGlitteryOpossum was thrown down into the center of the earth where he rules over the underworld.....and democrats. GardenBunny Jr. and GlitterySquirrel sit at the side of GardenBunny and actually assist in holding the arms back of the newly deceased as GardenBunny punches them in the chops until they feel all the hurt they've caused others. Word has it in some offshoots of the GardenBunny Book that GlitterySquirrel and even at times GardenBunny Jr. have been the ones punching in the chops, but it's not made clear in the GardenBunny Book.

This is the word of the GardenBunny, it is right to give him thanks and praise.
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Pink Flamingo! Now you're being ridiculous. GlitterySquirrel and NonGlitteryOpossum got in a fight and NonGlitteryOpossum was thrown down into the center of the earth where he rules over the underworld.....and democrats. GardenBunny Jr. and GlitterySquirrel sit at the side of GardenBunny and actually assist in holding the arms back of the newly deceased as GardenBunny punches them in the chops until they feel all the hurt they've caused others. Word has it in some offshoots of the GardenBunny Book that GlitterySquirrel and even at times GardenBunny Jr. have been the ones punching in the chops, but it's not made clear in the GardenBunny Book.

This is the word of the GardenBunny, it is right to give him thanks and praise.


There goes my 'pink' jokes out the window. I blame fleg. He lives closer to San Francisco than all of us.

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I blame fleg. He lives closer to San Francisco than all of us.

If blame is based on proximity to San Francisco, then that Coy woman is about a third guiltier than I am.

--fleg
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I'm pretty sure that Pink Flamingo is GardenBunny Jr's mom.

Always ;-)
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I'm pretty sure that Pink Flamingo is GardenBunny Jr's mom.
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Yeah, right. Next think you know someone's, wait, hold on:

someone's

Someone is

yepper, it works.

Next thing you know someone's going to say GardenBunny Jr. was married.
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Or we could have Arthur, Dora, and Big Bird all on one cooking show working together to make healthy meals for kids. - Art

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How about Arthur showing Dora how to prepare Big Bird croquettes with squirrel gravy.

I'd watch that.
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