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http://www.billygraham.org/vote-biblical-values/pdfs/USATPos...

Full page Billy Graham ad in our local paper, and probably in yours too.

"I strongly urge you to vote for candidates who support the biblical definition of marriage between a man and woman, protect the sanctity of life, and defend our religious freedoms. The bible speaks clearly on these crucial issues."

The bible does not speak very clearly on these issues at all.

And doesn't anyone find this obvious support for Romney disingenuous when Graham's organization was calling Momonism a cult up until this week?
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And doesn't anyone find this obvious support for Romney disingenuous when Graham's organization was calling Momonism a cult up until this week?

Frankly, it is what I expect from Christians at large. Folks like Ray and Lawrence seem very much to be exceptions to this rule. Though they insist otherwise, so perhaps it's just that the really wealthy and powerful Christians are like that.

On a separate note, I find it somewhat sad that issues like this are even issues. There is so much more going on that we need to be concerned about, this is just a distraction. Gay marriage? Really? How does Charlie marrying M affect my marriage to 1poorlady (hint: it doesn't).

One almost wonders if it's deliberate subterfuge.
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And doesn't anyone find this obvious support for Romney disingenuous when Graham's organization was calling Momonism a cult up until this week?

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It's amazing what the hatred of a so-called Muslim, Socialist Foreigner will do to people.



Charlie
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How does Charlie marrying M affect my marriage to 1poorlady (hint: it doesn't).




I iamgine a rift would ensue if you one of you was upset that you weren't invited to the wedding.

:-)Charlie
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"I strongly urge you to vote for candidates who support the biblical definition of marriage between a man and woman, protect the sanctity of life"
There are no candidates that support biblical definition of marriage between a man and a woman. Some are opposed to gay marriage while supporting divorce for any number of reasons.

There are few candidates that protect the sanctity of life. Some are opposed to abortion, some oppose a death penalty that frequently is only used to kill those who are poor, some oppose the murder of innocent on the battlefield, few if any oppose them all.
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One almost wonders if it's deliberate subterfuge.
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I do not wonder, I am certain.
In 2004 the gay marriage initiatives on the ballot in a number of states were key in getting the heavy turnout of social conservatives, Do you think they voted for John Kerry?
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"I strongly urge you to vote for candidates who support the biblical definition of marriage between a man and woman, protect the sanctity of life, and defend our religious freedoms. The bible speaks clearly on these crucial issues."

The bible does not speak very clearly on these issues at all.


IMO most people (not merely the religious) believe that anyone with half a brain agrees with them on subject x.

So in this case, BG has interpreted his bible as saying ______ (as have others even on this board) and doesn't think his statement is inaccurate at all. Anyone with half a brain knows that's what the bible says.

So, no, I don't think he's intentionally misleading. And I can't even say it's out of ignorance of the bible, since I know he's read it and analysed it many times. But he (and all of us) tend to confirmation bias.


Frydaze1
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Adrian,

And doesn't anyone find this obvious support for Romney disingenuous when Graham's organization was calling Momonism a cult up until this week?

Theolgoically, Mormonism is still a pseudo-Christian cult. That reality has not changed, and will never change, and I have little doubt that the Billy Graham Evangelistic Association is still saying so.

But the reality here is that we are voting for a president -- not for a bishop. If we were voting for a bishop, religion clearly would be an essential qualification.

But in voting for a President, I am looking for somebody who will act in a moral manner in office, regardless of his or her religion. The candidate's religion enters the picture only if the candidate purports to believe in the tenets of a particular religion but fails to adhere to the practices that religion, thus manifesting a lack of public integrity. But it is the lack of personal integrity rather than the professed religious belife that would cause me to vote against such a candidate.

In this regard, the existence of an absolute moral standard that does not depend upon the tenets of any religion, known as Natural Law (http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/natural-law-ethics for more information) is crucial. Note that a person of any religion -- Agnostic, Atheist, Buddhist, Hindu, Moslem, Taoist, Wiccan, etc. -- or even an unbeliever can be just as moral as a Christian.

Norm.
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But the reality here is that we are voting for a president -- not for a bishop. If we were voting for a bishop, religion clearly would be an essential qualification.

Wow. We agree for once!

But in voting for a President, I am looking for somebody who will act in a moral manner in office, regardless of his or her religion.

Another vote for Obama, then! Cool. (I'm sure you couldn't vote for someone who "etch-a-sketches" everything, having no convictions of his own...lying at every turn, and stating up-front that his campaign is not concerned about facts.)
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