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Subject: Re: Israelis Jews favor official discrimination Date: 10/25/2012 9:01 PM
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blatant racism

Race cannot be changed, but religion can be changed. Discrimination based on religion cannot, therefore, be racist. (Unless the favored religion prohibits people of a certain race from converting.)


Okay, I'll concede the semantic difference. It's no racism. It religious bigotry.

You are a proponent of apartheid…

No, I'm not. Just as the US and every other country has standards for citizenship, and treats non-citizens differently, so does Israel.


The U.S. and all other civilized countries, including Israel, do not bar citizenship on the basis of race, religion, national or ethnic origin. A country that will deny citizenship from native born residents, based on their racial or religious affiliation is an apartheid regime.

Let me ask you this: Do you think it's proper that Arabs should be excused from military service, and blocked from top jobs at Mossad and Shin Bet? If so, then you are the same as I am. It's just a matter of degree.

There is no blanket exclusion of Arabs from military service in Israel. Some serve. Anyone who wishes to serve is allowed to do so. There is, for example, an elite combat unit made up of Bedouin Muslims. (Would you deny them citizenship too? Would you deny it for their children?) It is pretty easy for Arabs to get an exemption, though, as it is for Haredi Jews. As for jobs at Mossad and Shin Bet, I don't believe there is a blanket exclusion either. Any candidate must pass a rigorous security clearance process, regardless of ethnicity or religion. I bet there are some Arab Mossad and Shin Bet agents working under deep cover, and no one is going to share their identities with you or me.

Elan
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