Warning: This post is a rant. Don’t read it if you “can’t handle the truth”. LOL.------------------------------------ Ben --and you know whom I mean by ‘Ben’-- works with three intellectual categories: ‘Defensive’, ‘Enterprising’, ‘Speculative’. Doing some typological magic produces the following 5x5 array. Typically Typically Bonds Stocks Purely Mostly Mostly Purely Ord-Inc Ord-Inc Equal Mix Cap-Gains Cap-Gains Defensive AAA & Better AA-A Enterprising BBB-BB B-CCC Speculative CC & Worse The color coding is gratuitous, but fun. So let’s keep it. In other thread, a question was asked about the attractiveness of Greek bonds and their current 9%-10% yield. For sound reasons, I said “Pass”. But let’s review that decision. Assuming those bonds were available at the retails level --and they aren’t--, how should a would-be buyer be looking at them? In other words, forget about what someone else’s opinion might be. Could you, on your own, determine the attractiveness of those bonds? Probably not. So let’s try to build a framework within which any bond could be rated. Let’s do so by grabbing a triple AAA issue -- which the totally naïve would assume is a ‘Defensive’ investment -- and show that it isn’t by Ben’s own criteria. Xto Energy’s 6.75’s of ’37 are rated Aaa/AAA. So there’s no question it’s considered to be ‘top-tier’ debt by the rating agencies. It’s priced at 151.754 to yield 4.4% to maturity. So there’s also no question that is top-tier by its market-implied rating. But I can predict, with nearly 100% certainty, that bond will default, and the workout will be $0.42 on the dollar. That doesn’t sound very ‘defensive’, does it? In fact, that bond must be considered ‘speculative’, for this reason. If today (May 9, 2013) you have $15,175.40 in cash, then you have $15,175.40 of purchasing-power. But if you do something as egregiously stupid as buy ten of Xto’s 6.75 of ’37, you can be almost guaranteed to end up with a loss of (57.8%) on that purchase, due to the impact of taxes and inflation. In what sense is choosing to lose money making an investment? In fact, it cannot be considered an ‘investment ’. It is a highly speculative bet that that taxes won’t rise, that inflation won’t rise, that interest-rates won’t rise, that the issuer won’t default, etc. It short, you’re betting on a ‘best-case’ scenario that is already a pretty horrible one. If you get any part of that forecast wrong, you’re screwed even worse than you already are. That bond might not ‘default’ in the technical sense of that term. But the impact of those losses on your net–worth won’t be any different. By contrast, let’s grab a different bond and one that the naïve would consider to be ‘risky’. First, let me cheat with the example, and then I’ll work a real-time one. Where was Travelport’s debt trading last year, and into which ‘risk bin’ above did it seem to fall? Orange, right? Three tranches were on the market, some very nearby, low coupon, more senior stuff priced near par, and some junior, high coupon, deeply discounted stuff. All of it was clearly rated ‘speculative’ by the agencies and priced so by the market. But how ‘risky’ was it really? Under a worst case scenario -- a Chapter 11 filing that resulted in a zero workout -- you knew exactly what your losses would be, the premium you paid for that option. OTOH, you also knew what one of your upsides would be, i.e., the strike. What you didn’t know was the gain you could make from selling ‘time-premium’ (which is currently running about 187%).In the game involved triple-CCC bonds, how often can you be wrong and still make decent money? In the former game involving triple-AAA bonds, how often do you have to be right to ensure that you don’t lose money? This is exactly why agency ratings and market-implied rating are only a starting point. Both of those numbers have to be put into context, and that context has to be understood before one can say ‘yea or ‘nay’ to the buying (or avoiding). In other words, as Ben himself says, “If you overpay, you’ve turned what might have been an ‘Defensive” investment into a speculative one. OTOH, if you can buy at the right price, what would otherwise be a very speculative bet become a very defensive, very high-quality investment." Of the currently-offered, spec-grade bets, what might be worth looking it? Here’s a chart worth considering. http://cxa.gtm.idmanagedsolutions.com/finra/BondCenter/BondD... But you’re on your own about what to do about it. Charlie------------------------Standard Disclaimers: Due your own due-diligence, and I’m already long at better prices.
Typically Typically Bonds Stocks Purely Mostly Mostly Purely Ord-Inc Ord-Inc Equal Mix Cap-Gains Cap-Gains Defensive AAA & Better AA-A Enterprising BBB-BB B-CCC Speculative CC & Worse
Opps. While I was editing, I hit the wrong key and the opening post was submitted before the editing was complete. I was fussing with the columns and trying to add in this info. Blue chips Defensive AAA & BetterGreen chips AA-AYellow chips Enterprising BBB-BBOrange chips B-CCCRed chips Speculative CC & Worse
Blue chips Defensive AAA & BetterGreen chips AA-AYellow chips Enterprising BBB-BBOrange chips B-CCCRed chips Speculative CC & Worse
Here’s a chart worth considering.Interesting, and thanks for posting, but Etrade has a min order of 10 - too many for my tastes.
…but E*Trade has a min order of 10 - too many for my tastes.Hawk, Gaming min’s can be tough. If you can get in one single, you can assume the desk is dumping and you shouldn’t be buying. But the converse isn’t necessarily true. So, “…it all depends.” There’s times I’ve bought a single when my position-size should have been zero. There’s times I’ve bought a single, and my position-size should have been five or ten, and not just retrospectively so. At the time I was buying, I should have known to buy bigger. But by and large, I generally get it right enough, and my current ranking among bond fund managers with my same objective is top 2% (which says more about a fortuitous curve-fitting to current conditions than persistent skills. LOL) As bad as the 10-min for Colt is (I got in on 5), the jump in prices is worse. The offer is now 78.533. As recently as a couple weeks ago, the offer was mid 60’s (where I got in). So the bond presents a dilemma. Do you chase? Or do you conclude you’ve missed this one and look for another opportunity? That’s not an easy question to answer, and arguments can be made on both sides. It might seem that a classic, Ben Graham-style value investor would have made the later choice. He/she would have seen from a chart that a low-priced, low-risk entry had been missed and backed away. http://cxa.gtm.idmanagedsolutions.com/finra/BondCenter/BondD... But a good interview on Yahoo’s Breakout with Tilson suggests otherwise. "This time is different," is widely accepted as the most dangerous phrase in investing. Author of the new book The Art of Value Investing , Whitney Tilson has a 3-word phrase that's done even more damage to investors this year: "I missed it." "It's the phenomenon where you look at a stock that's doubled in the last year and you just say 'I missed it' and you don't do any further research," http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/breakout/3-words-every-invest...If 'Buy low; sell high' is the mantra of a value investor, and if 'Buy high; sell higher' is the mantra of growth investors (and momentum players, such as Wm O’Neil, for whom I have the utmost respect), into which bucket is put Colt’s current price and price-direction? Is it a missed, value opportunity? Or is it a situation that requires re-examination, as Tilson might suggest? I’m not urging that anyone buy or avoid this bond. That’s your job to determine its suitableness for your portfolio. But the bond is a paradigmatic example of what most bond investor do NOT have, namely, a consistent, disciplined framework with which to think about what they are doing, such that, no matter what bond is thrown at them, they can decide, fast and accurately, what to do about it. So by default, they pass, and they end up making the crappy returns they do, as is well documented by Dalbar’s 20-year studies of investor results. Again, I am NOT urging that anyone buy or avoid this bond. But you cannot afford to ignore it, because it is a paradigmatic example of a problem that must be solved if your skills are to improve. Buy? Sell? Or stand aside? You’ve gotta know what your answer will be for every bond or every stock that is thrown your way, or else you’re just guessing. You have no investment plan at all, and you’re just shooting from the hip, hoping the fact that markets generally rise will bail you out of your mistakes. Charlie---------------------- Hope is not an investment strategy.
Ya, after that I requested a quote on one and was quoted 82. Still YTW of greater than 10% so it was worth it.
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