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Author: robinson0551 Three stars, 500 posts Old School Fool Add to my Favorite Fools Ignore this person (you won't see their posts anymore) Number: of 571  
Subject: Re: Predestination Date: 10/5/2001 2:09 PM
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Bonhoeffer said: "...logically, God had a choice: 1) Make a race of beings that can only choose to do "Good," therefore lacking Free Will and incapable of loving and being self-aware or 2) Make a race of being that is self-aware, can love, has Free Will and thus can choose to do good OR evil. Everything i "know" about the universe and feel within me indicates that God chose the latter. If... the choice is ours, then our lives have meaning, we bear the responsibility for our own actions, and we are horribly off-base when we blame God for the bad things that happen in the world."

Ok, so your logic goes like this:
- We have free will, and we can choose to do whatever we want.
- We therefore bear the responsibility for our actions
- Therefore, God is not responsible when we do bad things.

I would therefore say that the logical next step is that he is not responsible when we do good things either, so he shouldn't get credit for either.

But then you came back and basically said that since God created us and "defined" us if you will, he should get credit for the good things.

But if that was true, I would have to argue that since he "defined" us, he is responsible for the bad things we do as well, so he should get credit for both the good and the bad.

My point is that it's both or it's neither. You can't eat your cake and have it too... and you also look like you can't make up your mind.

Robinson



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