People seemed stunned and confused by the "this week in pictures" http://www.retireearlyhomepage.com/bush_hurricane.html thread and seem unable to decipher truth from reality for some reason. I look at Yahoo! News photos every single day, which is why I recognize all of these pictures and why I refuted them. In fact, I said this: WOW. That's pretty awesome that that many lies could fit in such a small web page.Mr. Cheery-o responded with this: WOW. And you don't point out ONE lie. Oh well. :) Just forgot. How much has Berkshire Hathaway done? Oh yeah, zippo last time I checked. Good news--Larry is out of his unmarked brown paper wrapping and safely in the People's Republic. More to his liking. Today, Larry's message is to continue the Freeloading and ther Looting. Huzzah! Freeloaders. Huzzah Huzzah Huzzah! So, here is my response in a thread for the whole board to see. Truth be told it was much more work than it was worth to have to point all of this out.----------------------------Mr. Cheeryo,First, you should change your name, as you are anything but.Second, thank you for the attack referencing Berkshire Hathaway. I'm not sure what it has to do with this arguement, or with me, but ok. I don't expect you to understand that BRK is a public company, and it's assetts are owned collectively by the shareholders. I don't expect you to understand that statistically over 90% of BRK shareholders are millionaires and have undoubtedly donated millions of dollars without needing there names in the spotlight. I could argue this late into the night and it just won't matter to you. You think a company should try to abuse the situation for free advertising rather than to donate quietly to prove that they have donated.I didn't mention a single lie because I thought most people were grown up enough to spot the obvious ones for themselves. I guess not, so here goes. Oh, one other thing. Before we get started I should mention that I am no fan of President Bush. I am not posting this to try and defend him, I am posting this because I am rational and look at both sides objectively, and in this instance your side is just an all out lie. We have already had this discussion (about my political leanings) on the BRK boards, as I'm sure you are aware.The first picture:Most people will recognize this as biased propaganda. The president's prescription drug proposal was scheduled before the hurricane, and most people will agree that the business of running the country should go on. What do the children on roofs have to do with this? The president is the leader of the executive branch. His job is to ask for and secure relief funding from the legislative, and that is what he has done. I guess you think the president should stop running the country to personally pick these kids up? Well that would be impossible since these two events were on completely different days. Bush's medicare proposal was on August 29, just as the hurricane was dwindling out.I'm not sure what is being insinuated here. The pejorative "corporate welfare program" phrase lets the reader know how objective the author is.The second picture:"Bush enjoys a light hearted moment with supporters at a concert"Whoops, Bush wasn't at a concert, he was giving a speech and a Naval Base to commemorate V-J day. He's holding the guitar only because Mark Willis had just given it to him as thanks for supporting V-J day. This did not happen as a body floated in the river. This happened on August 30th just as the levees broke. The picture with the body is from days after the levee broke. Nice try, though.The third picture:"Bush returns to his Crawford, TX vacation headquarters on Wednesday, but he quickly packs for Washington as furor over his embarrassing lack of leadership grows."Unbelievable. The author calls his ranch his "vacation headquarters" to make it sound like Bush is heading there to go on vacation. Nice try again, he wasn't going to take a vacation, and that picture of him smiling in a cowboy hat isn't from anywhere near when the hurricane hit. It is a stock photo taken months ago.He didn't pack quickly because furor was growing over his embarrassing lack of leadership. He was packing quickly to tour the devastation. This was before any "furor" was growing, not in response to it.The fourth picture"Wednesday afternoon." Uh-oh, I thought Bush was just returning to his ranch on Wednesday to go on "vacation." Hmmm. "Bush surveys the death and devastation in New Orleans from the air-conditioned comfort of a well-upholstered couch on Air Force One."What? I guess you think the plane should be poorly upholstered and not air conditioned? I'm not sure what the point of the description of the president's plane is (the same plane used by many other presidents). "Flood survivors wave to the President's plane in desperation as he turns and flys off."Do you really need me to explain this crap to you, Cheery? They weren't waving to the president's plane (which was flying higher and at hundreds of milers per hour), they were waving in desperation to a press helicopter at another time and place. "He turns and flys off." Even if any of this were true, and even if "flys" was a real word, what the hell was he supposed to do? Land a 747 on the roof? Are you serious? And in the middle of rampant gunfire which includes snipers firing on hospital evacuees?I have put way to much effort into this, and I don't feel like finishing. I think you get the point. Michael Moore would be proud. Deep down in the back of your mind you know these things are false, and you know you are looking at them with prejudice to support your already formed political opinion. You don't have to admit it to me, but c'mon man.
wbjr,Thanks for the great post.But brother, when it comes to cheeryeyefortheliberal guy, YOU.ARE.WASTING.YOUR.TIME.Peace,JB
>> But brother, when it comes to cheeryeyefortheliberal guy, YOU.ARE.WASTING.YOUR.TIME. <<Rather than repeat what I've said before, I'll just relink it:http://boards.fool.com/Message.asp?mid=22904328#29
I guess you think the president should stop running the country to personally pick these kids up?Of course not, he's no Harry Connick, Jr.
Harry Connick, Jr. is not running the country. He is a millionaire sitting around in between movies and concerts with nothing to do. That is a little different than being president.
I guess you think the president should stop running the country to personally pick these kids up?Of course not, he's no Harry Connick, Jr. Maybe if it was a "photo-op?" Actually I think Bush jr. might be more comfortable riding in a boat or helicopter picking people up than doing presidential stuff. He doesn't strike me as being too comfortable as President. It's a struggle for him. I've had plenty of jobs like that. "what have I gotten myself into?" In way over my head. He obviously prefers hanging out on his "ranch" in Crawford, TX. I wonder why he ran for President? - Art
The poster being responded to by WJB is a Bushwanker suffering from terminal Bush Derangement Syndrome.According to such sufferers, everything Bush does is evil, from the time he wakes up in the morning to the time he falls asleep at night, and more--even his dreams are evil. The purpose of his presidency is to enrich his various buddies and the Jews at the expense of the poor and minorities. He salivates with glee every time an Iraqi child is killed by a freedom fighter. If he doesn't show up at a disaster scene, it proves he is uncaring and insenstive. If he shows up at a disaster scene, it proves he is insensitive and uncaring. It was very obvious from reading about his flight over the devastated area that he wanted so badly to drop big bombs on the people on the roofs--you can see that in the look on his face and the way he talked about it. He is responsible for all the harm on the planet, from NO residents who refused to evacuate to Mongolian children who fall off their horses.There is no lie so outrageous and transparent that it is not seized upon to "prove" how bad he is. There is no fact so well-established that it isn't ignored in the headlong rush to foam at the mouth.The safety, security and prosperity of our citizens and the success of our nation are always worth sacrificing just to make him look bad.The people thus deranged park their brains (if they have any) at the door when they wank about Bush. The only place for them is TMF's version of the rubber room, the p-box.--fleg
Damn, I recced the OP after clicking the link.I did not mean to "rec" the "bush apologist" part...jb
He obviously prefers hanging out on his "ranch" in Crawford, TX. I wonder why he ran for President? - ArtMy guess is that the circle around him decided he was the most electable and amenable of the bunch and flattered him into it. (Skip the flames please, I said this was a guess--feel free to put forward your own guesses!)
Unbelievable. The author calls his ranch his "vacation headquarters" to make it sound like Bush is heading there to go on vacation.This always amazed me, the criticism. Like a physician, the President is NEVER on vacation regardless of where and what he is doing. He is always the President and always on the job. Have people already forgotten Cold War times? The "football" always followed the President, it didn't stay in Washington.JLC
The "football" always followed the President, it didn't stay in Washington.JLCThis is true. He is just as able to do his job from his car, his helicopter, his plane, Camp David or Crawford as he is from the Oval office. He is hooked in. His father made history when he vetoed a bill by FAX from Air Force One. Complaining about his not being in the right location is about style, not substance.1HF
Complaining about his not being in the right location is about style, not substance.---------------------------------™Heck. I count any day he's not in DC as lucky. I figure we're less likely to be bombed. arrete - I guess he's just telecommuting.
arrete - I guess he's just telecommuting.Technically, no, it is not possible for the President to telecommute.By definition, wherever he is, that is where the executive branch of the US government - and the command of the US military - is centered. Anyone who needs direct contact with him but is not in the same place is telecommuting.
His father made history when he vetoed a bill by FAX from Air Force One.Why didn't his father explain how to use the fax to Jr. If anyone needs to study civics and learn about the Presidential veto it is our current President.I know this has nothing to do with the thread (other than an actual complaint about Bush with some merit). I don't get why all the Bush bashers have to make up and exaggerate anything when there are so many legitimate gripes they ignore... course, they probably like the spending binges.FoolNBlue (Hoping our next President isn't a shop-o-holic)
Why didn't his father explain how to use the fax to Jr. If anyone needs to study civics and learn about the Presidential veto it is our current President.It is not the least bit unusual for a president of the same part as the majority in congress to not use the veto. They were out compromises in advance because neither is trying to make the other look bad (it's called party unity). So if you think GWB should have vetoed something, realize that it wouldn't have come to him if his agreement wasn't already given. The political penalty for vetoing something sent to you by your own party can be pretty high, whereas vetoing something sent to you by the other party is called playing hardball.1HF
It is not the least bit unusual for a president of the same part as the majority in congress to not use the veto. They were out compromises in advance because neither is trying to make the other look bad (it's called party unity). So if you think GWB should have vetoed something, realize that it wouldn't have come to him if his agreement wasn't already given. The political penalty for vetoing something sent to you by your own party can be pretty high, whereas vetoing something sent to you by the other party is called playing hardball.1HFTonight on one of the news programs they were talking about all the pork going into the veto-proof Katrina-relief bill. Disgusting. If the citizens of this country had any backbone, they'd get the names of every Congress critter who voted in favor of inserting the pork and vote against them next time they run, no matter what.Disgusting. Talk about gouging the American people on the back of a catastrophe. And I bet you my retirement nestegg some of the same Congress critters de-crying the gouging by gas companies this week were working to get pork into the bill.Disgusting. Disgusting.
If the citizens of this country had any backbone, they'd get the names of every Congress critter who voted in favor of inserting the pork and vote against them next time they run, no matter what. -- tmeriUnfortunately, they only do it pecause it helps them get elected. The People of MA don't inflict Kennedy on us because they are liberal. They do it because he brings home the pork. Only term limits or voter responsibility would improve this.1HF
According to such sufferers, everything Bush does is evil, from the time he wakes up in the morning to the time he falls asleep at night, and more--even his dreams are evil.http://ecdev.hku.hk/acadgrammar/general/argue/illogic/detectin.htmThis is the most common type of weak argument.Straw lacks substance, it blows away in the wind. A straw argument is therefore a fragile one, that is easy to demolish. Here are some ways in which straw arguments are made: finding someone who holds a very extreme and/or implausible version of that position, and then treating that individual's version as if it were genuinely representative
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