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Subject: Charters Crush Public Schools Date: 10/13/2012 9:27 AM
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...In 2012, charter schools held the top nine spots for open-enrollment, non-selective public high schools in Chicago. Another charter school ended up in a three-way tie for tenth. The Noble Network of Charter Schools led the pack, with a total of nine schools in the top 10, one of which was included in the tie. The average ACT score for charter schools in the top 10 was 20.6, with Noble Network’s UIC College Prep campus scoring 21.9 – the highest-ever average at an open-enrollment, non-selective CPS high school.

Not only are charter schools outperforming their peers on the ACT, a comparison of Chicago’s top 10 charter high schools to the top 10 open-enrollment, non-selective, traditional public high schools shows that charter schools’ pace of improvement is significantly greater. Since 2007, top charter school scores have increased by 17 percent, while the top traditional schools have gained nearly 5 percent.

Charter school students, like other students in CPS, primarily come from low-income backgrounds (91 percent qualify for free or reduced lunch), represent mostly racial minorities (60 percent African-American, 35 percent Hispanic), and must overcome a range of challenges (9 percent English Language Learners, 12 percent special needs). They are not untouched by the violence plaguing many of the city’s neighborhoods. And, yet, despite all of these obstacles, they are succeeding.
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Liberals are evidence based? Exactly. It should be interesting next year when the Chicago public schools start out with a billion dollar shortfall.
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Subject: Re: Charters Crush Public Schools Date: 10/13/2012 4:47 PM
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I'd really like to see a GOOD study on the performance of public vs. charter schools.
This isn't it.
I would like to see how many marginal pupils the "open enrollment" charter schools reject or eject which then end up in public schools, dragging them down.
I'm not averse to charter schools per se, but I'd like to see some real data and some proper studies on the matter.

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Subject: Re: Charters Crush Public Schools Date: 10/13/2012 5:03 PM
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I'd really like to see a GOOD study on the performance of public vs. charter schools.
This isn't it.
I would like to see how many marginal pupils the "open enrollment" charter schools reject or eject which then end up in public schools, dragging them down.
I'm not averse to charter schools per se, but I'd like to see some real data and some proper studies on the matter.
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I saw a Stossel special on Charter Schools and i'm not surprised they score better.

Think about it, what school would be better, one where you can easily fire a bad teacher or one where bad teachers are protected?

Even if they were exactly the same score wise, Charter Schools are actually cheaper. I say it's worth a shot and should be expanded to increase competition.

Cheaper and better, no wonder liberals hate it.

Hey! I found another thing that annoys liberals!

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Subject: Re: Charters Crush Public Schools Date: 10/13/2012 5:06 PM
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I would like to see how many marginal pupils the "open enrollment" charter schools reject or eject which then end up in public schools, dragging them down.
I'm not averse to charter schools per se, but I'd like to see some real data and some proper studies on the matter.
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The real problem IMO is that public schools integrate the marginal pupils and drag down every other student.

There was a time when public schools did not do that, and performed as well if not better than other schools and religion was largely the reason that folks chose private schools.

So if you choose to make charter schools do the same stupid stuff that public schools chose to do, you can destroy their results as well.

Granted there are other problems, but this is a huge one.

When public education moves more toward getting the best education for kids as opposed to some goal of evening out results, they will compete well.

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Subject: Re: Charters Crush Public Schools Date: 10/13/2012 5:06 PM
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I would like to see how many marginal pupils the "open enrollment" charter schools reject or eject which then end up in public schools, dragging them down.
I'm not averse to charter schools per se, but I'd like to see some real data and some proper studies on the matter.
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The real problem IMO is that public schools integrate the marginal pupils and drag down every other student.

There was a time when public schools did not do that, and performed as well if not better than other schools and religion was largely the reason that folks chose private schools.

So if you choose to make charter schools do the same stupid stuff that public schools chose to do, you can destroy their results as well.

Granted there are other problems, but this is a huge one.

When public education moves more toward getting the best education for kids as opposed to some goal of evening out results, they will compete well.

Better to just get social justice folks out of the way, and let educators do their job

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