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Subject: Re: The Economist cools on AGW Date: 4/1/2013 9:02 AM
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Considering climate change, denialists come on 3 broad forms:

- The first order are those who deny that human-displaced CO2 has ANY effect on the atmosphere with regards to climate change.

- The second order are those who deny that human-displaced CO2 has ANY IMPORTANT effect on the atmosphere with regards to climate change in the face of natural cycles.

- The third order are those who say that human-displaced CO2 might have an effect on the atmosphere with regards to climate change -- but that we can't do anything about it so we may as well not try.



Meanwhile this thread should include the orders of AGW propagandists.

- The AGW apostles. Anything stated that can be categorized as substantiating the AGW theory is gospel. Any word attempting to contradict this or question any aspect of it should be seen as blasphemy. Any attempt at discussing this with a critical pov is also blasphemy.

- The AGW apologists. When facts or understandings of AGW move away from the strong platform held by strident supporters of AGW-combat policy wonks, they will go into overdrive to prove the sky is not blue, or the world doesn't turn on it's axis. When faced with the decline in temperatures, instead of admitting their perplexities, they either drill down further into data and confuse the issue with complex formulas that result in proving that 'up' is 'down', or they simply refuse to discuss the finding.

- The AGW realists. They, like the third order of 'denialists', agree with CO2 being a greenhouse gas, and that the greenhouse effect does play a part in global climate. However they are not committed to furthering the belief that it is the most important factor --- instead believing that it is a single factor in an infinite number of chaotic occurrences that result in the climate we currently have and will have.

The realists do not believe in over-manipulation of greenhouse gasses as a means to an end; because it is as foolhardy as those intent on polluting and wastefully emitting CO2.
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