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Couldn't Fred Phelps say the same thing?

Yes, he could and he does. Which is because it is subjective. That doesn't mean I don't think he's wrong, immoral, insane, and dangerous. Of course he thinks the same of me. Society determines which of us is actually right... by their own subjective opinions. In the society of his church, I'm the crazy one.

I'd like to believe that my morals are based on a more objective view of the world than his. But even though I think my morals are *more* objective, I still don't think they *are* objective. I also think my morals are more objective than yours, since I don't have belief in a mythical god muddying the waters. ;-)

I agree totally. I don't deny your strong feelings about it. Dan Dennett, philosopher, says that evolution has foisted that feeling on you, and it has no deeper meaning.

I disagree. I think you are in touch with something intuitive about morality that is implanted on your heart from a different source.

We'll have to agree to disagree on that one.

You have other points I want to address, but it will have to wait

Okey dokey.

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