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The deal is that I have a pretty good relationship with my doctors. I see them once a year or so, my wife sees them a lot more often than that. I doubt most of them are all that excited about having to ask patients about their guns... but if the government makes them do it then, hey, they gotta do it.

I'm usually sitting there in my NRA Gadsden hat anyway... asking if I own guns is a bit silly. Hell, most of them know I work for the police (they're UofM doctors) and know that I know the gun laws better than they do. I don't tell them how to check my prostate, they don't have to tell me how to store my guns. They can say the spiel, I'll thank them, we'll both laugh and be on our way.

/But if they want to buy me dinner before the prostate exam I won't say no...
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Yes, I think all docs should have guns, as should their patients. Oh, I guess that's not what ObamaWama is talking about, though.
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I don't tell them how to check my prostate, they don't have to tell me how to store my guns.

HHHHHAH!!! QUOTE OF THE CENTURY!!!
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If this stuff keeps up, pretty soon I'll have to consult the NRA to find out which doctors will leave me alone about my guns.
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If this stuff keeps up, pretty soon I'll have to consult the NRA to find out which doctors will leave me alone about my guns.

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. If this stuff keeps up, pretty soon I'll have to consult the NRA to find out which doctors will leave me alone about my guns.

This is America's problem, we have become a nation of wimps

Once upon a time, our guns would have visited our doctors on a problem like this.

This is the technique that has been the core tool of salesmen forever. Get the target saying yes and agreeing until he is used to doing that, and you can sell the mark anything.

Seriously, if your first thought is not 'screw you' at all this stuff the government wants to do 'FOR' you, you have already lost.
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This is the technique that has been the core tool of salesmen forever. Get the target saying yes and agreeing until he is used to doing that, and you can sell the mark anything.

OBAMA SECOND TERM OVERVIEW: THE BEGINNING, NOT THE END, OF THE CAMPAIGN

The president knows that large victories may be impossible, and he is uninterested in “grand bargains” that might serve the national interest at the price of compromise from both sides. Instead, he is content to aim hgh and settle for symbolically powerful victories that can reset public expectations and provide the foundation for future leftist gains.

The recent “fiscal cliff” deal is a case in point. The president only managed to achieve a small concession from Republicans--namely, an income tax hike on households earning more than $450,000, yielding a paltry amount of revenue. But what was important for Obama was that Republicans had accepted a tax hike for the first time in two decades. Likewise with Obama’s new gun control measures. Few are likely to pass Congress, but any that do will be seen as having broken the power of the National Rifle Association.

The same strategy is unfolding in national security, where Obama is not only reducing the defense budget dramatically but has also appointed a determined critic of Israel, former Sen. Chuck Hagel (R-NE). In doing so, he has demonstrated the limits of the so-called “Israel lobby,” delighting the left-wing minority that has been working hard to disrupt the U.S.-Israel alliance and humbling another potential source of opposition.

In sum: President Obama’s second term will be preoccupied, at least initially, with small wins that make bigger changes possible, both after the 2014 midterm elections and long after he leaves office in 2017. Each political battle will be accompanied by a maximum of propaganda and demagoguery--the use (abuse?) of children on gun control is just the beginning--to convince Americans to shun, and feel ashamed of, political opposition.

As it did during the Obamacare fight--another “Trojan horse” designed to enable bigger plans in the future--the White House will use the president’s former campaign to agitate and organize in favor of his policies. The New York Times notes that “the president’s former campaign aides in the weeks ahead will convert the Obama for America operation into a different kind of outside political group...to raise money for grass-roots campaigning on behalf of the president’s second-term agenda, they said.”

It is even possible that Obama could continue campaigning for his agenda long after he leaves office, returning to his occupation as a community organizer but in charge of the world’s most formidable data mining and fundraising machine.

The second Obama term may not be the final act, but merely the prologue, to the left’s long-awaited revolution.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/01/18/Prologue-...
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"The deal is that I have a pretty good relationship with my doctors. I see them once a year or so, my wife sees them a lot more often than that. I doubt most of them are all that excited about having to ask patients about their guns... but if the government makes them do it then, hey, they gotta do it."




Until folks keep telling them, like 90% ....that they don't own guns.

I don't want being 'on the record' of owning any guns.....and even though your medical records are SUPPOSED to be private, we all know that next year Obama could come up with a way to 'view' them to find out who has guns and who doesn't and target them with confiscation, gun taxes per gun per year, onerous registration, etc.

If my doc asks that question, I'll just say 'next'.


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If you are a doc who works for UM you complete the UM checklist. By the way do you have a ladder at home? 6000 deaths per year. Be careful.

http://money.usnews.com/money/blogs/the-home-front/2009/08/3...
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I'm usually sitting there in my NRA Gadsden hat anyway... asking if I own guns is a bit silly. Hell, most of them know I work for the police (they're UofM doctors) and know that I know the gun laws better than they do. I don't tell them how to check my prostate, they don't have to tell me how to store my guns. They can say the spiel, I'll thank them, we'll both laugh and be on our way.


Apparently, every day several children are injured or killed in gun accidents. Then there's a lot of households with mentally ill people. I think it's a good idea for doctors to give advice on the topic of gun safety AT LEAST in cases where someone in the household is potentially psychotic.
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"Apparently, every day several children are injured or killed in gun accidents. Then there's a lot of households with mentally ill people. I think it's a good idea for doctors to give advice on the topic of gun safety AT LEAST in cases where someone in the household is potentially psychotic. "


And of course, doctors should also talk about 'car safety, save driving, staying below the speed limit, not tail gating..since dozens of kids are killed each day in car accidents.

Oh, and getting on and off school buses..where kids are injured all the time.

Plus, playing with toys........or being in the kitchen and reaching for pot handles, or getting to sharp knives...

yes.....let's waste the doctors time on trivial stuff....... let's make them squeal to the feds as to which homes have firearms so when it comes time for the gov't to confiscate them, it knows where all of them are. Let's use the docs to compile gun ownership records.......NOT!



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Then there's a lot of households with mentally ill people.

Yep, liberals are everywhere, ubiqitious.
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We do tele, we do talk about all that stuff all the time. We talk about it because even though you are so smart you would never injure yourself or do anything foolish, that does not apply to everyone.
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telegraph wrote:

yes.....let's waste the doctors time on trivial stuff.......

YUP. Car accidents are trivial. Ditto kids getting scalded with boiling water.

How about stuff like heart attacks and lung cancer? Trivial!

Or the morbitity and mortality associated with the epidemic of obesity?
None of the doctors' business!

Let them focus on the BUSINESS of healthcare. Making lots and lots of money. So that we continue
to have THE GREATEST HEALTHCARE SYSTEM IN THE WORLD.

Infant mortality? Trivial!!!!

Jack
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Jack the prograssive time waster:"YUP. Car accidents are trivial. Ditto kids getting scalded with boiling water."


WHen you make a doctor appointment because your kid is sick, you don't need to be lectured about 'not speeding while driving, putting on your turn signal, or checking the air in our tires!"....

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jack the progressive: "How about stuff like heart attacks and lung cancer? Trivial!"

Heh heh..that's actual medicine....

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Jack the progressive: "Or the morbitity and mortality associated with the epidemic of obesity?"

that's actually medically related..... but if he wants to discuss the color of my curtains, the length of my curtains, whether i have baby proofed the electric outlets, vacuumed the floor every other day, use Brand XYX baby food, washed my clothes in Tide.....that's going too far.

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Jack the progressive:"Let them focus on the BUSINESS of healthcare. Making lots and lots of money. So that we continue to have THE GREATEST HEALTHCARE SYSTEM IN THE WORLD."

We do...and doctors , per hour, don't make all that much.....unless you happen to be the world's best neurosurgeon or similar.....

You didn't whine about Steve Jobs becoming a gazillionaire, along with Bill Gates and warren Buffet and those Hollywood 'stars' and sports stars? hmmm...I wonder why, but your wealth envy is definitely showing.

Yep, drug companies didn't invest billions and tens of billions, and often lose billions when things failed....to come up with new medicines. So far, I haven't seen anything come out of the Soviet Union or Cuba or Venezuela - for treatment of diseases like malaria, tuberculosis, Alzheimer, cancers..... or anything else. those wonderful socialist paradises where medicine should have even cured the common cold since they didn't make a profit!... ho ho ho

You didn't get the airplane, light bulb, plastics, oil and gasoline, transistors, integrated circuits, computers, cars.....trains, cellphones.....from 'socialist entiies'. You got them from people with a BIG profit motive hoping to 'make it big'.

Same with health care. No one invented to CAT scan and MRI and X-ray to remain poor.


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doctors , per hour, don't make all that much.....unless you happen to be the world's best neurosurgeon or similar.....

According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, the median pay for a physician in 2010 was about 166K/year. Considering that this would include physicians practicing in areas of the contry that have a low standard of living, it seems like a respectable income to me.

You didn't whine about Steve Jobs becoming a gazillionaire, along with Bill Gates and warren Buffet and those Hollywood 'stars' and sports stars? hmmm...I wonder why

Well, it didn't seem appropriate for the topic. But since you asked, I don't really have a problem with Jobs, Gates and Buffett amassing great wealth. The first two were visionaries who helped shape modern society. And Buffett's philantropy is very impressive.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warren_Buffett

I DO have a problem with superstar athletes getting ridiculous compensation. But that's because I was brought up in a generation in which this was not the case. And it seems to me that the professional athletes of my era, in general, deserved respect and admiration more so than the current crop.

Jack the progressive: "Or the morbitity and mortality associated with the epidemic of obesity?"

that's actually medically related..... but if he wants to discuss the color of my curtains, the length of my curtains, whether i have baby proofed the electric outlets, vacuumed the floor every other day, use Brand XYX baby food, washed my clothes in Tide.....that's going too far.


If your doctor is asking THOSE questions I'd suggest that you find someone else.

Jack
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Well, it didn't seem appropriate for the topic. But since you asked, I don't really have a problem with Jobs, Gates and Buffett amassing great wealth. The first two were visionaries who helped shape modern society. And Buffett's philantropy is very impressive. [...] I DO have a problem with superstar athletes getting ridiculous compensation. But that's because I was brought up in a generation in which this was not the case.

Apparently, JohnEBGood is the final arbiter of who should receive what compensation. Perhaps he should be consulted whenever compensation comes up for review.
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Apparently, JohnEBGood is the final arbiter of who should receive what compensation. Perhaps he should be consulted whenever compensation comes up for review.

No....I'm not the final arbiter. But I have a right to my opinions.

Have a nice day.

Jack
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"Apparently, JohnEBGood is the final arbiter of who should receive what compensation. Perhaps he should be consulted whenever compensation comes up for review." - Catherine
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I'm sure they'll write him a letter and ask his opinion before deciding next time it comes up for review. <grin!>

The President always asks me before he does any political maneuvering. We're really close like that.

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John the progressive:"According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, the median pay for a physician in 2010 was about 166K/year. Considering that this would include physicians practicing in areas of the contry that have a low standard of living, it seems like a respectable income to me."

Hah....let's see..you spend 14 years in college, medical school and residency, building up $250,000 in student loan debt, and you think $166,000 is 'fair compensation' for giving up that many years of your life to non-productive work? wow.....you sure are a socialist. And what about the median and high cost of living areas?

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John the progressive: " But since you asked, I don't really have a problem with Jobs, Gates and Buffett amassing great wealth. The first two were visionaries who helped shape modern society. And Buffett's philantropy is very impressive."


You mean AFTER Buffet made his gazillions, he decided to give away all his loot so he didn't pay a dime in estate taxes? Gotcha.... he thinks, like nearly all, that PEOPLE know the best way to use THEIR money, and that is not to give it to the government to waste on the welfare weenies and queenies, and sloshing it out to their buddies on guaranteed to fail greenie projects.

As to visionaries - you mean that Verizon shouldn't make any money because it has spent 50 billion putting in high sped internet to nearly all its customers instead of 300 bps dial up? Or that car companies now have cars 100 times safer than in the 60s, sell 15 million of them a year......

Or that pharma companies have invented cures for diseases that KILL, and have drugs to let you live 10 or 20 years longer? You don't think that shapes 'modern society'? Vaccines and bio-drugs and cancer drugs? Really? YOu'd rather be dying at 45 or 50 like 2 centuries ago? With 50% of all people dead before their 10th birthday fro childhood illnesses? with scarlet fever, whooping cough, mumps, measles , small pox , polio.....taking its toll?

Gimme a break...you give a pass to your 'elite buddies' like Buffet and Gates......because they mouth your socialist words......and in the mean time, they take every deduction and loophole their high priced accounting firms can come up with.


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Johnny the progressive:"I DO have a problem with superstar athletes getting ridiculous compensation."

They don't go to the games, or watch them on TV....the salaries will drop if everyone else feels the same way.

Otherwise, don't bitch.

And who are you to decide 'ridiculous' compensation? Heck, even in the Soviet union, the 'stars' got big salaries and all sorts of perks.....same in Germany under Hitler.....

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Johny the Progressive Lib: "And it seems to me that the professional athletes of my era, in general, deserved respect and admiration more so than the current crop."

Nah...the press was a lot more LESS INTRUSIVE. They swept scandals under the rug. Affairs with a baseball star? Not even in the news. Sports starts in trouble with the law...? Swept under the rug. Of course, they didn't have doping and drugs like today..cocaine, pot, steroids, etc..didn't exist across society.

You were just wearing 'blinders' back then because the press never reported on the stuff when it happened.....it wasn't 'news'.....or that their 'code' allowed them to report on.

And you mean there were no scandals? The Chicago Baseball scandal? WHere they threw the world series? hah.....or other 'fixes'????

Your memory isn't qute so good. I remember when Wash DC actually had a baseball team....and when the Dodgers screwed their fans and moved to LA....so much for loyalty. It's always been 'about the money'.


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John the progressive:.....

Just so you know, telegraph. I stopped reading right there, so you're wasting your time.

I refuse to waste my time dealing with those who must engage in name-calling.

Jack
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Give em' hell tele!!
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Apparently, every day several children are injured or killed in gun accidents. Then there's a lot of households with mentally ill people. I think it's a good idea for doctors to give advice on the topic of gun safety AT LEAST in cases where someone in the household is potentially psychotic.

I think it's more of the government sticking their noses into relationships where they don't belong. For proof of this I cite the reaction feminists had when Virginia (amongst others) passed laws requiring that doctors provide graphic information and perform exams prior to abortions. They screamed, "How DARE the government intrude into the doctor-patient relationship like that?!?" Funny how I don't hear them saying the same thing now about doctors being told by the government to ask people about whether or not they choose to exercise their right to keep and bear arms.

Seems like a bit of a double standard, you know?
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Seems like a bit of a double standard, you know?

Most feminists are liberals, goes with the territory.
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The government does not tell me to interview about the presence of firearms in the home. Neither should it prevent me. That interferes with the doctor-patient relationship, which should be one of candor and very frank.

If you are worried about that information being catalogued by someone ferreting into you medical record, still your fevered little mind.

I do not chart everyhting I discuss.
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I do not chart everything I discuss.

Well, then, how you gonna prove to the gubmint that you discussed it? Hmmmm?
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