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10. Right now, there are somewhere around 40 million senior citizens in the United States. By 2050 that number is projected to skyrocket to 89 million.

9. 25 percent of all Americans in the 46 to 64-year-old age bracket have no retirement savings at all.

8. 46 percent of them have less than $10,000 saved for retirement.

7. Elderly Americans tend to carry much higher balances on their credit cards than younger Americans do.

6. Americans that are 55 years of age or older now account for 20 percent of all bankruptcies in the United States.

5. In 1945, there were 42 workers for every retiree receiving Social Security benefits. Today, that number has fallen to 2.5 workers, and if you eliminate all government workers, that leaves only 1.6 private sector workers for every retiree receiving Social Security benefits.

4. Overall, the Social Security system is facing a 134 trillion dollar shortfall over the next 75 years.

3. Medicare is facing unfunded liabilities of more than 38 trillion dollars over the next 75 years. That comes to approximately $328,404 for each and every household in the United States.

2. State and local government bodies in the state of California have 325 billion dollars in combined unfunded pension liabilities.

1. The total amount of unfunded pension and healthcare obligations for retirees that state and local governments across the United States have accumulated is 4.4 trillion dollars.
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Number 5 was the big one for me, besides the unfunded liabilities. Ponzi isn't just a character from Happy Days people.
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"5. In 1945, there were 42 workers for every retiree receiving Social Security benefits. Today, that number has fallen to 2.5 workers, and if you eliminate all government workers, that leaves only 1.6 private sector workers for every retiree receiving Social Security benefits."


Only one answer. Old geezers need to die.

Art
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But we got trillion dollar platinum coins. I'm not worried.
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But we got trillion dollar platinum coins. I'm not worried.
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One of my favorite performers foresaw Obama
The lyrics to his premonition begin

The mystery man came over
And he said "I'm outta sight!"
He said for a nominal service charge
I could reach nirvana tonight
If I was ready, willing and able
To pay him his regular fee
He would drop all the rest of
His pressing affairs and devote
His attention to me


http://www.davemcnally.com/lyrics/frankzappa/cosmikdebris.as...
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Only one answer. Old geezers need to die.

You first.
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Only one answer. Old geezers need to die.

You first.

Don't worry there's plenty of lack of rooms for both of Y'all and eveyone else not connected.
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I'm working on it. I'm digging my grave with a knife and a fork, to quote my brother. I ate an old tough fried squirrel and a bowl of Pork flavored Ramen noodles for breakfast.

Delicious! <grin!>

Art
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I ate an old tough fried squirrel
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Synchro, I just read a post about Ozzy Osbourne on a different board!
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5. In 1945, there were 42 workers for every retiree receiving Social Security benefits. Today, that number has fallen to 2.5 workers, and if you eliminate all government workers, that leaves only 1.6 private sector workers for every retiree receiving Social Security benefits.

Apparently, Franklin D. Roosevelt didn't think it through.
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I ate an old tough fried squirrel and a bowl of Pork flavored Ramen noodles for breakfast. Delicious!

You can't be serious. Now you're just pulling our collective leg.

I refuse to eat garbage. I won't even eat ice cream unless it's Haagen Dazs.
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Only one answer. Old geezers need to die.

Art


Yep. Soylent Green.

Mike
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"Only one answer. Old geezers need to die.

Art "

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I humbly beg to disagree.

Howie52
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"I ate an old tough fried squirrel
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Synchro, I just read a post about Ozzy Osbourne on a different board! "

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Careful now.
That could drive one batty.
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"5. In 1945, there were 42 workers for every retiree receiving Social Security benefits. Today, that number has fallen to 2.5 workers, and if you eliminate all government workers, that leaves only 1.6 private sector workers for every retiree receiving Social Security benefits.

Apparently, Franklin D. Roosevelt didn't think it through. "

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Perhaps he did not suspect that more would be given or that folks
would take such an unreasonable attitude toward the nutritional
benefits of dog food?

Howie52
By the same token, the folks who took such an unreasonable attitude
may not have suspected that dog food would make such nutritional
strides.

And no one suspected just how far folks could stretch a squirrel.
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"I ate an old tough fried squirrel and a bowl of Pork flavored Ramen noodles for breakfast. Delicious!" Art
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"You can't be serious. Now you're just pulling our collective leg."
I refuse to eat garbage. I won't even eat ice cream unless it's Haagen Dazs." - Catherine

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Yes, I'm serious. That is what I ate. I told you that most women would not put up with me. I'm a mess.

My wife's sister's husband is a minister in Dallas, Texas and does a lot of work in Ghana in the Water Wells program where they go into villages and dig wells to get clean water in the village. The church we attend here in Murfreesboro, Tennessee helps support that project. Quite a few of our members have actually gone to Ghana and seen the work and worked at a large Orphanage there and teach school at a Christian School in Ghana.

I could go to Ghana, Africa with that project if I wanted to. You know what appeals to me about that opportunity? I would be able to eat Cane or Grasscutter rat which is a large rat that they raise in Africa as a food source. I'd like to eat some grasscutter rat just to say I've tried it. I bet it is delicious!

"The Greater Cane Rat (Thryonomys swinderianus) is one of two species of cane rats, a small family of African hystricognath rodents. The cane rat lives by reed-beds and riverbanks in Sub-Saharan Africa. Cane rats can grow to nearly 2 ft (0.61 m) in length and weigh a little less than 19 lb (8.6 kg). It has rounded ears, a short nose, and coarse bristly hair. Its forefeet are smaller than its hind feet, each with three toes. ...<snip>.... However, the peoples of the region also utilize the cane rat as a potential food source (as bushmeat), considering the meat a delicacy. Consequently, grasscutters (as they are often called in Ghana and other regions of West Africa; alternatively, cutting grass) are beginning to be raised in cages for sale, and so are sometimes referred to as micro-livestock."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_cane_rat

Art
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5. In 1945, there were 42 workers for every retiree receiving Social Security benefits. Today, that number has fallen to 2.5 workers, and if you eliminate all government workers, that leaves only 1.6 private sector workers for every retiree receiving Social Security benefits.

Apparently, Franklin D. Roosevelt didn't think it through.


But libs feel better about themeselves.
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Only one answer. Old geezers need to die.

Art

Yep. Soylent Green.

Mike


Pull the plug on granny or get Paul Ryan to work in a hospital for seniors in wheelchairs. The hospital must be on high ground surrounded by cliffs.
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My wife's sister's husband is a minister in Dallas, Texas and does a lot of work in Ghana in the Water Wells program where they go into villages and dig wells to get clean water in the village. The church we attend here in Murfreesboro, Tennessee helps support that project. Quite a few of our members have actually gone to Ghana and seen the work and worked at a large Orphanage there and teach school at a Christian School in Ghana.

My church supports a missionary to Ghana, too. When he comes back, he regales the congregation with stories about the food. It was a smack in the face at first what he had to eat while living there. I'll ask him about this rat next time I see him.

He said, "Most people pray before the meal. I routinely prayed during the meal. 'Oh, God, please protect me from what I'm about to eat'."
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My church supports a missionary to Ghana, too. When he comes back, he regales the congregation with stories about the food. It was a smack in the face at first what he had to eat while living there. I'll ask him about this rat next time I see him.

He said, "Most people pray before the meal. I routinely prayed during the meal. 'Oh, God, please protect me from what I'm about to eat'."
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When I was in grad school, one of the other TAs was from Ghana. At first I couldn't understand him, but after a couple of weeks I could. That's when I realized he was telling non-stop jokes. Impressive. It's really hard to tell jokes in a foreign language. From CC's example it seems to be part of the culture. I like that. Vietnamese have a weird sense of humor, too.

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oh what's a litte rat in food......try horsemeat or pig meat in what was supposed to be beef hamburger.....oh deer!



Horse meat found in burgers — traces of pig, too
Horse meat and pig meat were found in burgers and ground beef sold at Ireland's biggest supermarkets. Traces of pig DNA appear in 85 percent of the tested meat, and one burger was roughly 30 percent horse meat.

I'm sorry you're going to have to wade through some stuff, I don't know how to cut it out with this iPad...on the desktop, it's simple not on this though.


By Raphael Satter, Associated Press / January 15, 2013


Horse meat made up 30 percent of a burger labeled as ground beef, an Irish food watchdog group found. Traces of horse DNA and/or pig DNA appear in more than 85 percent of the tested burger products sold by some of the country's biggest supermarkets. This picture shows the Tesco meat counter at a store in southern England.

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Horse meat, horse DNA, and pig DNA were found in burgers and other ground beef products, announced an Irish food safety watchdog. One burger, sold by global retailer Tesco, was made of roughly 30 percent horse meat.


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Ireland's Agriculture Minister Simon Coveney blamed a lone meat processor in County Monaghan, on the border with Northern Ireland, for the horse meat find, which he called "totally unacceptable." Coveney told state broadcaster RTE that an imported additive used to make the burger appears to have been packed with horse meat.

The additive was "either falsely labeled, or somebody made a mistake, or somebody was behaving recklessly. That allowed some horse meat product to come into the system that shouldn't have been here," he said, adding that veterinarians had been dispatched to the meat processor and other factories to conduct more tests.

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"A mistake has been made here, it has been flagged by our systems as it should have been, and we will take the appropriate action to ensure it doesn't happen again," Coveney said.

U.K.-based Tesco PLC apologized for its horsemeat-heavy burger and said it was pulling Tesco-brand burgers from stores in Britain and Ireland as a precaution. The find is unwelcome news for the world's fourth-largest food retailer, known in the United States under its Fresh & Easy brand.

"The presence of illegal meat in our products is extremely serious," the company said in a statement. "Our customers have the right to expect that food they buy is produced to the highest standards. ... We understand that many of our customers will be concerned by this news, and we apologize sincerely for any distress."

But the bad news wasn't just for Tesco.

The Food Safety Authority of Ireland also said Tuesday that it had found traces of pig DNA in 85 percent of the burger products it tested in Irish supermarkets, including those operated by British frozen food specialist Iceland, German discounters Lidl and Aldi, and supermarket giant Spar. Irish stores, including Dunnes — the country's largest domestically owned supermarket chain — also carried beef with horse or pig DNA.

Many of the brands affected, like the Oakhurst Beef Burgers carried by Aldi, carried both DNA from both creatures, but most of the traces were miniscule. For example, the authority said it found 0.1 percent horse DNA content in Iceland's own-brand quarter-pounder patties.

The watchdog says the unusual animal DNA in Ireland's burgers isn't a threat to anyone's health but does "raise some concerns."

"In Ireland, it is not in our culture to eat horse meat and therefore, we do not expect to find it in a burger," said Alan Reilly, the authority's chief executive. "Likewise, for some religious groups or people who abstain from eating pig meat, the presence of traces of pig DNA is unacceptable."

Meat exports are big business in Ireland, and opposition politician Eamon O Cuiv warned that the news "could have a damaging effect on the Irish agriculture sector if not dealt with quickly and comprehensively."

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Shawn Pogatchnik in Dublin contributed to this report.

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"My church supports a missionary to Ghana, too. When he comes back, he regales the congregation with stories about the food. It was a smack in the face at first what he had to eat while living there. I'll ask him about this rat next time I see him.

He said, "Most people pray before the meal. I routinely prayed during the meal. 'Oh, God, please protect me from what I'm about to eat'." - Catherine

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I'd love to try Grasscutter rat. Probably tastes like Squirrel. My BIL has come back with some nasty infections from Ghana. He had something growing in his eye one time. Our niece, the Librarian, has been to Ghana also and her roommate is going there to teach at a Christian Girls School in Ghana. BIL is my age and his daughter, who is working on a Masters Degree in Theology, is in her late 20's.

The water well program is a big part of our overseas mission work but they also build homes in Guatemala and Mexico and give out presents to little kids and make care packages and send shoes and clothes to Haiti and I think quite a bit of money too.

Art
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"oh what's a litte rat in food......try horsemeat or pig meat in what was supposed to be beef hamburger.....oh deer!"- luckydog


I'd love to try horsemeat. Don't know where to buy it here in the United States.

I grind up different kinds of meats together all the time. It ain't what goes into person's mouth that defiles them but what comes out of it.

Art
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I grind up different kinds of meats together all the time.

I wasn't talking about the meat. Raman noodles, on the other hand, are garbage.
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"I wasn't talking about the meat. Raman noodles, on the other hand, are garbage." - Catherine


"One man's garbage is another man's food." - Confucius


Art
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"One man's garbage is another man's food." - Confucius

The manufacturing process is what makes ramen noodles so bad for the human body. In order to create a dessicated, long-keeping noodle that cooks in a couple of minutes, it’s deep-fried in oil. To make things worse, the instant soup mix has more fat in it, not to mention a lot of sodium, monosodium glutamate (MSG), preservatives and other mystery ingredients. Ramen noodles are mainly made of enriched wheat flour (white flour) with vitamins added back in. Vitamins are added to the flour because they are depleted in the flour manufacturing process. The second most prevalent ingredient in ramen noodles is partially hydrogenated vegetable oil. Hydrogenated oils are manufactured by adding hydrogen atoms to unsaturated fats. Food manufacturers use partially hydrogenated oils because they are cheaper and because they come in a variety of textures, which enhance the flavor and texture of foods in different ways. They have a higher melting point than regular oils, which helps foods to have a longer shelf life--like forever. Hydrogenated oils, aka trans fats, are known to be detrimental to your health.
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The baby boomers are going to still be alive in seventy five years??

How is that possible?

k
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I humbly beg to disagree.

Howie52
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Well, you have finally gotten the right attitude, now we just have to get rid of this disagreeing and you can be the kind of person to bring American forward!

Sincerely
Barrack
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"The manufacturing process is what makes Ramen noodles so bad for the human body." - Catherine

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Catherine do not be afraid. When we get to the other side, the place you call Heaven, it will feel like home. Whatever we have loved here will be waiting for us there. It has to do with the holographic principle and how a hologram is generated.

Art






Matthew 18:18 NIV
"I tell you the truth, whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.
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I was reading where Raman noodles were not especially great for you....the 'flavor pack' gives you about half a day's sodium all in one shot....



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"I was reading where Raman noodles were not especially great for you....the 'flavor pack' gives you about half a day's sodium all in one shot." - Tele
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Probably true but I don't really care. Not especially wanting to live to be real old. Never been much of a procrastinator. In a couple of months I turn 60 which I'm really amazed about.

Art
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In a couple of months I turn 60 which I'm really amazed about. --Art

If you're like me you won't feel any older at 60 than you did at 30, and much younger than you did at 50.
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"If you're like me you won't feel any older at 60 than you did at 30, and much younger than you did at 50." - catmeyoo


Thanks but something happened to me in my mid 40's and it changed everything about me. It changed the whole way I view life. I was an animal before that experience. I rode bikes, swam, went diving, fishing, hunting, lifted weights, did the stairmaster, etc.

But then one morning I woke up and I felt like I had knives in my hips. And my back hurt, and my right knee bothers me, and sometimes my neck, and my right shoulder is so bad that I can't swim laps anymore - and I used to be swim all day long and never get tired.

And I think God or the Creator of the Universe or whatever you want to call him chose me to learn something that had probably never been shared before.

This whole idea of being here to experience duality and separation, time and space, and make memories of living in a 3 dimensional + 1 time universe is a whole new thing. We are spiritual beings having a physical experience. It's as simple as that.

It's something that has never been thought of before.

Art
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"In a couple of months I turn 60 which I'm really amazed about. --Art

If you're like me you won't feel any older at 60 than you did at 30, and much younger than you did at 50. "

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I suspect that he will feel holographically separate.

Howie52
Or separately holographic.

I always get them confused.
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I just feel like **ME** except I can't walk very far.

arrete
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"I suspect that he will feel holographically separate.

Howie52
Or separately holographic.

I always get them confused.

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If you think about it hard enough we experience a little bit of separation every day.

Today at Church it was announced that a friend of mine's (from Church) father died yesterday.

I suspect I'll be going to a funeral in the next day or two.

Art
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Only one answer. Old geezers need to die.

You first.


That's my answer to antihumanist environmentalists who say that the human population needs to decline substantially.
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He said, "Most people pray before the meal. I routinely prayed during the meal. 'Oh, God, please protect me from what I'm about to eat'."

Food-Network chef Gordon Ramsay has said prayers like that a few times.

He also once took a plate of restaurant food away from a minister and said "Forgive me, Father, for they have sinned."
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try horsemeat or pig meat in what was supposed to be beef hamburger.....oh deer!

I'll take the deer, thank you. It's good eats.
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My church supports a missionary to Ghana, too. When he comes back, he regales the congregation with stories about the food. It was a smack in the face at first what he had to eat while living there. I'll ask him about this rat next time I see him.

He said, "Most people pray before the meal. I routinely prayed during the meal. 'Oh, God, please protect me from what I'm about to eat'."


Same thing at my church. We support over 50 missionaries in different parts of the world. It's amazing what people eat.

For that reason, I would have trouble being a missionary. Some cultures get offended if you don't eat what they serve you. Being the health nut I am, I just could not do it.

I read Aurthor Blessitt's (missionary back in the 1970's) auto biography and he tells the story where at one tribal gathering, they served a dish that was a mixture of blood, puss and urine. He prayed and asked God to kill the germs as he ate it.

No frakking way. If it means offending them to keep my health and dignity, then tough sh!t for you! <g>

Metal
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cc
I wasn't talking about the meat. Raman noodles, on the other hand, are garbage.

Raman noodles are one of the worst things you can eat. Unfortunately, people eat it in droves because it's cheap and easy.

Metal
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"One man's garbage is another man's food." - Confucius


Art


Confucius was wrong on this one and if he practiced that, he did not live a very quality or quantity life.

Metal
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Raman noodles are one of the worst things you can eat. Unfortunately, people eat it in droves because it's cheap and easy.

They may as well eat the packaging for all the nutrition Ramen noodles provides.
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The baby boomers are going to still be alive in seventy five years??

How is that possible?



Why, in 75 years I'll only be 126.

The Baron Andrew, tail end of the Boomer generation
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If you're like me you won't feel any older at 60 than you did at 30, and much younger than you did at 50.


Oh catmeyoo, I sure hope you're right.

The Baron Andrew, soon-to-be 52 and feeling old sometimes
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And I think God or the Creator of the Universe or whatever you want to call him chose me to learn something that had probably never been shared before.

This whole idea of being here to experience duality and separation, time and space, and make memories of living in a 3 dimensional + 1 time universe is a whole new thing. We are spiritual beings having a physical experience. It's as simple as that.

It's something that has never been thought of before.

Art



Hate to disillusion you, Art, but I read about the duality and separation thing in metaphysical books at least as far back as the early '90s. It was worded in different terminology, of course, but was the same basic idea.

Used to hang out at Manifestations bookstore in downtown Cleveland and read all sorts of things like that. They used to burn incense in the store that stuck to the books, and some of the books I bought back then still carry a faint aroma to this day.
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Hate to disillusion you, Art, but I read about the duality and separation thing in metaphysical books at least as far back as the early '90s. It was worded in different terminology, of course, but was the same basic idea.

Well, at least since 2002.

http://arxiv.org/abs/math/0212294

We consider subsemimodules and convex subsets of semimodules over semirings with an idempotent addition. We introduce a nonlinear projection on subsemimodules: the projection of a point is the maximal approximation from below of the point in the subsemimodule. We use this projection to separate a point from a convex set. We also show that the projection minimizes the analogue of Hilbert's projective metric. We develop more generally a theory of dual pairs for idempotent semimodules. We obtain as a corollary duality results between the row and column spaces of matrices with entries in idempotent semirings. We illustrate the results by showing polyhedra and half-spaces over the max-plus semiring.

Yup. Slightly difference terminology. ;-)
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I'll take the deer, thank you. It's good eats.

I had venison in one of L.A.'s best restaurants. It was indeed delicious.
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"Hate to disillusion you, Art, but I read about the duality and separation thing in metaphysical books at least as far back as the early '90s. It was worded in different terminology, of course, but was the same basic idea." - Andrew
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Not as our purpose for being here, or "why we are here." I put all the pieces of the puzzle together. The "why" of it all.

Art
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"Hate to disillusion you, Art, but I read about the duality and separation thing in metaphysical books at least as far back as the early '90s. It was worded in different terminology, of course, but was the same basic idea." - Andrew
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Not as our purpose for being here, or "why we are here." I put all the pieces of the puzzle together. The "why" of it all.

Art



Actually, I have read books that explained that as the "why". They didn't use the same words that you do, but the idea was the same nonetheless.
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"Actually, I have read books that explained that as the "why". They didn't use the same words that you do, but the idea was the same nonetheless." - Andrew

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I have searched far and wide and I've never run across anyone else who propounds an idea similar to mine.

Art
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They may as well eat the packaging for all the nutrition Ramen noodles provides.

http://health.usnews.com/health-news/blogs/eat-run/2013/01/1...

Excerpt:

As a registered dietitian, many people are interested in what foods I eat, and just as often, what would never land on my plate. All foods fit, I say to them, and to my patients. Anything in moderation. But truth be told, there are foods that—barring a deserted-island situation—I wouldn't touch. White bread, Spam, sugary breakfast cereals, soda, cheese doodles, and Doritos: Not for me. I avoid foods that offer very limited, if any, nutritional benefit. While I have a few exceptions, at this point, those kinds of foods don't even taste good to me.

I asked my registered dietitian (RD) friends, with whom I've enjoyed good food and cocktails, what foods they avoid:


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Ramen noodles aren't on any of the lists... though I don't think they're all inclusive to be fair. And some of them are contradictory (one said they would eat Doritos, in small servings of course).
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Ramen noodles are just like white bread. Here's how Ramen noodles are made.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OgaTe2gAcZc
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Ramen noodles are just like white bread. Here's how Ramen noodles are made.

I don't doubt they're absolutely unhealthy. They're also absolutely delicious... but I digress.

I had a roommate in college who would make "spaghetti" with them. Uh... no. If it isn't made with actual spaghetti noodles then it isn't spaghetti but some other abomination.
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Hate to disillusion you, Art, but I read about the duality and separation thing in metaphysical books at least as far back as the early '90s. It was worded in different terminology, of course, but was the same basic idea. - Andrew

Not as our purpose for being here, or "why we are here." I put all the pieces of the puzzle together. The "why" of it all.

Art, this guy thinks you're barking up the wrong tree.

http://lifestreasureskauai.com/blog/whats-new/duality-separa...

Duality is but a label, and separation an illusion. The problem arises when Duality is given the status of a Universal Law of Reality. It is, in fact, an arbitrary designation, one in which many invest most of their belief systems.

A battery has a (-) neg pole and a (+) pos pole. You cannot separate one from the other, as then you would not have a battery. It is the synergy of the whole that energy flows through; in this case, electricity. To call them opposites is not only inaccurate, it creates a false image of its reality.

Duality and its labels only serve as a function of communication and, as such, have no reality in their own right. Separation exists only as a construct and concept of one’s mind and ego-self.

To understand the nature of reality is to realize you are not the individual, and that you truly are the Universe and the Universe is you.

Who you really are asks, “Can you, without judgment, thoughts and beliefs, observe reality as it is, casting aside the nonsense of Duality / Separation?”


Sounds absolutely correct to me! ;-)
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"Hate to disillusion you, Art, but I read about the duality and separation thing in metaphysical books at least as far back as the early '90s. It was worded in different terminology, of course, but was the same basic idea." Andrew
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Alfred Russell Wallace came up with an identical theory of evolution at almost the same time as Charles Darwin. Darwin popularized his theory and had it published and wrote a book "The Origin of Species" and so he is remembered as the creator of the ideas of Natural Selection and survival of the fittest. Whereas Alfred Russell Wallace is barely remembered.

I have plastered my ideas all over the internet message boards wherever there was a chance it would be read. I have seen my writings plagiarized word for word in other people's posts on other boards and passed off as their own. 300 years from now my ideas will have been disseminated and will affect how people think about religion and how it evolves and will have infiltrated the minds of humans, if they still exist. I have gotten private emails from all over the world of people asking me questions who are curious to understand just what exactly this connection between NDE's and the holographic universe means.

Me you will never forget. The other guy you can't remember his name or exactly what his writing said, only that it was somewhat similar to my ideas. I think you won't forget me, even after I'm long gone.

Art, "not easily forgettable."
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"Ramen noodles aren't on any of the lists... though I don't think they're all inclusive to be fair. And some of them are contradictory (one said they would eat Doritos, in small servings of course)." - colovion
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The truth is I don't give a cr@p what other people eat or don't eat. I don't let other people tell me how to live my life, what I should like or don't like, or how I should think.

I am my own person. I can think for myself. And that includes religion and Christianity and what it is and the place it fits in my life.

Art
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The truth is I don't give a cr@p what other people eat or don't eat.

Well, I sort of have to care about what two people eat (my wife and son), at the very least so I don't end up with a wife tossing her cookies everywhere (onions do her in every time, plus she's diabetic) and while my son doesn't have any known allergies he's in grade school. Bringing "tree nuts" into his school is akin to a hate crime, it's forbidden in no uncertain terms due to rampant allergies. Heck, there's a kid in his scout den who is allergic to nuts, dairy... practically everything kids eat at his age! So in order to not kill (literally!) one of his friends I have to pay attention to these things. Makes planning a birthday party more of a chore.

Me? I'll eat damn near anything. I pay some attention to nutrition (I don't want to keel over dead tomorrow!) but not nearly as much as, say, someone who listens to their nutritionist. I had steak and green beans for dinner last night and eggs, ham, english muffins (w/margarine) and coffee this morning. Tonight we're having corned beef brisket. I guarantee I'll eat too much of it (I LOVE corned beef!). My wife drinks too much pop (even diet), I'm more of a juice/water/tea/milk/coffee person. Coca-cola is good though! I better think so, I'm a KO shareholder.
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300 years from now my ideas will have been disseminated and will affect how people think about religion and how it evolves and will have infiltrated the minds of humans, if they still exist.

Good lord.
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The truth is I don't give a cr@p what other people eat or don't eat. I don't let other people tell me how to live my life, what I should like or don't like, or how I should think.

Um, it's really not about you, Art. We're now discussing the pros and cons of Ramen noodles per se, how they're made, etc.
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This morning I had a nice omelet..one egg, two eggbeaters...... with about 3 oz of ham chopped up, a roma tomato, maybe 3/4 oz of cheddar cheese, a few spinach leaves....cooked nicely in a pan on the stove...

enjoyed it with two cups of Taster's Choice instant coffee, 4 oz OJ, and a half apple...... (oh , and the morning senior multi-vitamin pill, a vitamin C pill, baby aspirin, and the blood pressure pill).

Delicious.

Around noon, I'll probably enjoy a small piece of left over pizza and maybe a bowl of high fiber cereal with blueberries....

afternoon snack..maybe half banana....


Not sure on dinner tonight..... maybe a big chicken salad?


t.
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"Well, I sort of have to care about what two people eat (my wife and son), at the very least so I don't end up with a wife tossing her cookies everywhere (onions do her in every time, plus she's diabetic) and while my son doesn't have any known allergies he's in grade school." colovion
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My wife is a vegetarian but I'm not. I do most of the cooking so when I make spaghetti for instance I make a big pot of sauce and then cook sausage or hamburger on the side and add sauce to the meat, splitting it about in 1/2 for mi espousa.

I do the same for when I make stir fry. I cook meat on the side. My wife also doesn't like black or hot red pepper or raw onions so I always make sure the onions in food I cook are well done; but I still eat raw onions and black pepper and hot spicey peppers on whatever I want.

It's a little bit of trouble but not a lot. I cooked tofu and tempeh for Bonnie last night.

Art
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"Ramen noodles aren't on any of the lists... though I don't think they're all inclusive to be fair. And some of them are contradictory (one said they would eat Doritos, in small servings of course)." - colovion
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The truth is I don't give a cr@p what other people eat or don't eat. I don't let other people tell me how to live my life, what I should like or don't like, or how I should think.

I am my own person. I can think for myself. And that includes religion and Christianity and what it is and the place it fits in my life.

Art

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Same here art, I don't care what others eat, I'm not in charge of them, I'm only responsible for what I eat. It's taken me quite some time to figure out what to eat and what foods that I need to avoid to not set off my food addiction, but it can also be set off by my emotions and stress and I can overeat healthy foods as well.

I've been to I think 3 nutritionists over the yrs and although I brought a list of problem foods and binge foods, they made menus with those foods on them. Ugh! So, since they gave me permission, I tried them again with the same result. Nutritionists need more training on food addiction and triggers. Bottom line, with food, diet and exercise, one has to experiment and see what works for them.

Last yr. a friend from the gym and I went to Panera Bread for dinner before we saw a show and since I had a yearning for a Diet Coke, I had it with my meal...usually I get water to be cheap. :) Anyway, during the meal, she said snippily, "Why are you drinking Diet Coke?" as if it was most distasteful. I snapped right back, "well, why do you drink wine?, it's empty calories and full of sugar". She meekly said, yeah, it's full of sugar and let it die. I couldn't believe the nerve of her or anyone questioning my food or drink, as if they were the Chief Justice of My Nutrition. Ain't none of her business!

Now, if someone on here was a cannibal, I'd have a problem with that and turn that info over to Colovion.

LuckyDog :)
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The truth is I don't give a cr@p what other people eat or don't eat. I don't let other people tell me how to live my life, what I should like or don't like, or how I should think.

I am my own person. I can think for myself. And that includes religion and Christianity and what it is and the place it fits in my life.

Art


No reason to get defensive Art. You share your way of life regarding diet and religion, we share ours.

Give and take.

Metal
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Last yr. a friend from the gym and I went to Panera Bread for dinner before we saw a show and since I had a yearning for a Diet Coke, I had it with my meal...usually I get water to be cheap. :) Anyway, during the meal, she said snippily, "Why are you drinking Diet Coke?" as if it was most distasteful. I snapped right back, "well, why do you drink wine?, it's empty calories and full of sugar". She meekly said, yeah, it's full of sugar and let it die. I couldn't believe the nerve of her or anyone questioning my food or drink, as if they were the Chief Justice of My Nutrition. Ain't none of her business!

Owebama's gonna make it HIS business. Get ready.
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"No reason to get defensive Art. You share your way of life regarding diet and religion, we share ours. Give and take." - Metal


Catherine Coy called Ramen Noodles garbage. I haven't ever criticized anyone else about what they eat or called their food garbage. People can eat whatever the hell they want to eat.

I think that gives me a little leeway to be defensive.

Art
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I had a roommate in college who would make "spaghetti" with them. Uh... no. If it isn't made with actual spaghetti noodles then it isn't spaghetti but some other abomination.


And that's the hardest part. Today everything is different; there's no action... have to wait around like everyone else. Can't even get decent food -- right after I got here, I ordered some spaghetti with marinara sauce, and I got egg noodles and ketchup. I'm an average nobody... get to live the rest of my life like a schnook.
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Catherine Coy called Ramen Noodles garbage.

The fact that you eat them doesn't make them not garbage. ;-)
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"And that's the hardest part. Today everything is different; there's no action... have to wait around like everyone else. Can't even get decent food -- right after I got here, I ordered some spaghetti with marinara sauce, and I got egg noodles and ketchup. I'm an average nobody... get to live the rest of my life like a schnook." Andrew
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For the record homemade spaghetti sauce is the easiest thing in the world to make. I like to use canned crushed tomatoes. Just saute diced onion and bell pepper in olive oil, add canned crushed tomatoes, then dried basil and oregano, garlic, a little salt, saute for about 15 or 20 minutes while your noodles are cooking and you are good to go.

I've discovered that frozen shrimp and/or clams are also delicious in spaghetti sauce. You can add hamburger meat or sausage or mushrooms. Whatever you want.

Seriously, there is nothing easier than making spaghetti.

Art
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Last yr. a friend from the gym and I went to Panera Bread for dinner before we saw a show and since I had a yearning for a Diet Coke, I had it with my meal...usually I get water to be cheap. :) Anyway, during the meal, she said snippily, "Why are you drinking Diet Coke?" as if it was most distasteful. I snapped right back, "well, why do you drink wine?, it's empty calories and full of sugar". She meekly said, yeah, it's full of sugar and let it die. I couldn't believe the nerve of her or anyone questioning my food or drink, as if they were the Chief Justice of My Nutrition. Ain't none of her business!


Some people are just control freaks. <shrug>

A long time ago, a friend (who is no longer in my life nowadays) used to do that to me. Once on some road trip or other, we stopped at a restaurant and I wasn't all that hungry and just ordered a salad, and he accused me of being "anorexic". WTF? Number one, I was a bit paunchy at the time (anorexics aren't), and number two, I didn't see why I needed to eat a ton of calories when I had done nothing but sit in a car all day. Sheesh.

On another occasion a few years later, this friend invited me out for a drive with him and his BF at the time, and we stopped at a restaurant for dinner. I wasn't really hungry, I had eaten earlier, and had just accepted the invitation for the company, so I just ordered a salad or whatever (who the hell remembers, this was 20 years ago), and he started in on lecturing me how I needed to eat meat.

He also would lecture me on why whoever I was dating at the time was wrong for me, and why I should be dating someone else, in a different age range or whatever. Sometimes he did this even when he'd never met the other person!

I used to just take that stuff back then, and only silently stew over it, but nowadays I think I would really let him have it. I'm not as sweet as I used to be.
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A long time ago, a friend (who is no longer in my life nowadays) used to do that to me. Once on some road trip or other, we stopped at a restaurant and I wasn't all that hungry and just ordered a salad, and he accused me of being "anorexic". WTF? Number one, I was a bit paunchy at the time (anorexics aren't), and number two, I didn't see why I needed to eat a ton of calories when I had done nothing but sit in a car all day. Sheesh.

On another occasion a few years later, this friend invited me out for a drive with him and his BF at the time, and we stopped at a restaurant for dinner. I wasn't really hungry, I had eaten earlier, and had just accepted the invitation for the company, so I just ordered a salad or whatever (who the hell remembers, this was 20 years ago), and he started in on lecturing me how I needed to eat meat.
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You should've ordered the mutton.
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"And that's the hardest part. Today everything is different; there's no action... have to wait around like everyone else. Can't even get decent food -- right after I got here, I ordered some spaghetti with marinara sauce, and I got egg noodles and ketchup. I'm an average nobody... get to live the rest of my life like a schnook." Andrew
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For the record homemade spaghetti sauce is the easiest thing in the world to make. I like to use canned crushed tomatoes. Just saute diced onion and bell pepper in olive oil, add canned crushed tomatoes, then dried basil and oregano, garlic, a little salt, saute for about 15 or 20 minutes while your noodles are cooking and you are good to go.

I've discovered that frozen shrimp and/or clams are also delicious in spaghetti sauce. You can add hamburger meat or sausage or mushrooms. Whatever you want.

Seriously, there is nothing easier than making spaghetti.

Art



LOL! Art, I was quoting a line from a movie. Let's see who's the first to correctly identify it. <grin>
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Goodfellas! What do i win!
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You should've ordered the mutton.


Right, because then I could say, "Salad's got nuttin' on this mutton!" <grin>
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Goodfellas! What do i win!


You win a Grumpy Cat posted to your Facebook page. <grin>
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Alfred Russell Wallace came up with an identical theory of evolution at almost the same time as Charles Darwin. Darwin popularized his theory and had it published and wrote a book "The Origin of Species" and so he is remembered as the creator of the ideas of Natural Selection and survival of the fittest. Whereas Alfred Russell Wallace is barely remembered.

I have plastered my ideas all over the internet message boards wherever there was a chance it would be read. I have seen my writings plagiarized word for word in other people's posts on other boards and passed off as their own. 300 years from now my ideas will have been disseminated and will affect how people think about religion and how it evolves and will have infiltrated the minds of humans, if they still exist. I have gotten private emails from all over the world of people asking me questions who are curious to understand just what exactly this connection between NDE's and the holographic universe means.

Me you will never forget. The other guy you can't remember his name or exactly what his writing said, only that it was somewhat similar to my ideas. I think you won't forget me, even after I'm long gone.

Art, "not easily forgettable."



Art, I'm not denying that you were given a revelation of some sort. That could very well be the case, for all I know. All I'm saying is that, from what I've seen, you weren't the only person it was given to.

Had I bought the book at the time, I would remember exactly what it said as well as the author. As it was, I was just browsing and reading excerpts without buying.
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"All I'm saying is that, from what I've seen, you weren't the only person it was given to. Had I bought the book at the time, I would remember exactly what it said as well as the author. As it was, I was just browsing and reading excerpts without buying." - Andrew


Yep, Alfred Russell Wallace came up with the same theory as Charles Darwin yet Darwin is given the credit. Everyone knows Charles Darwin but very few remember or know who Alfred Russell Wallace was.

We don't know the name of the person who wrote your book, we don't know the book title, and we don't know exactly what it said or propounds.

Believe me I have searched the internet and Amazon looking for people with similar ideas to mine. I have googled "holographic universe and NDE's" probably thousands of times and other than what Ken Ring and Melvin Morse and Oswald Harding wrote about there isn't a whole lot out there.

I am unforgettable. Me you will remember.

Art
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We don't know the name of the person who wrote your book, we don't know the book title, and we don't know exactly what it said or propounds. Believe me I have searched the internet and Amazon looking for people with similar ideas to mine. I have googled "holographic universe and NDE's" probably thousands of times and other than what Ken Ring and Melvin Morse and Oswald Harding wrote about there isn't a whole lot out there. I am unforgettable. Me you will remember.

I just told you about a book (actually published) that says posits the opposite of your theory! If you want to remain unforgettable, you'd better get published, too. You can self-publish, you know.
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Art:

I will always definitely remember you.
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I wasn't talking about the meat. Raman noodles, on the other hand, are garbage.


Apparently some of us are getting "garbage" even when we shop carefully. I saw this report on tonight's evening news and it really burned me up:

http://abcnews.go.com/US/exclusive-group-finds-fake-ingredie...

Even if you read labels meticulously, and understand what you're reading, you can still be misled.
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True 'nuff. I try not to buy anything processed, but that's very hard to do, especially if you like chips and salsa as much as I do.

I think this country's mental health problems are due to the water. There's so much "stuff" sloughing through our water systems, it's hard to know what kind of drugs--psychotropic and otherwise--we're ingesting, day after daty, without knowing it.
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"Art: I will always definitely remember you." - wolverine


Yep, that's me. Unforgettable in every way. I bet there are full grown adult men in Los Angeles and Orange County California that remember me from when we were kids and played together.

I know there are a lot of people in Atlanta, Georgia where I went to High School that remember me, lots of people in Athens, Georgia and South Georgia where my brother lives, Knoxville and Maynardville, Tennessee in East Tennessee, and now here in Murfreesboro, TN.

Ask JLC if his father in law in Knoxville Remembers me? <grin!> I worked with JLC's father in law for years at the Univ. of Tenn. College of Veterinary Medicine. JLC told me that he remembers me.

I'm not the kind of person that people soon forget.

Art
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Well, I sort of have to care about what two people eat (my wife and son), at the very least so I don't end up with a wife tossing her cookies everywhere (onions do her in every time, plus she's diabetic) and while my son doesn't have any known allergies he's in grade school. Bringing "tree nuts" into his school is akin to a hate crime, it's forbidden in no uncertain terms due to rampant allergies. Heck, there's a kid in his scout den who is allergic to nuts, dairy... practically everything kids eat at his age! So in order to not kill (literally!) one of his friends I have to pay attention to these things.

DW and I once sat and designed a pizza to sicken as many people we knew as possible with ordinary, non-spoiled ingredients commonly used on pizza

* wheat flour
* tomato
* onions
* beef
* any cow-milk cheese (counts twice, three times if we omit the beef)
* any shellfish including shrimp (counts twice)
* any fish (counts once, twice if we omit the shellfish)
* mushrooms

Ten people...

(We had no intention of even trying to feed the pizza to these people, and no idea how to persuade them to eat it anyway.)
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I think this country's mental health problems are due to the water. There's so much "stuff" sloughing through our water systems, it's hard to know what kind of drugs--psychotropic and otherwise--we're ingesting, day after daty, without knowing it.


I think this country's mental health problems are due to liberals. There's so much "stuff" sloughing through liberals' brains, it's hard to know what kind of drugs--psychotropic and otherwise--they're ingesting, day after daty, without knowing it.


I edited this a bit and it should be ready to go to print now.
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Apparently some of us are getting "garbage" even when we shop carefully. I saw this report on tonight's evening news and it really burned me up:

http://abcnews.go.com/US/exclusive-group-finds-fake-ingredie......

Even if you read labels meticulously, and understand what you're reading, you can still be misled.


Absolutely.

My rule of thumb to limit the nonsense, deception and profiteering at the expense of people's health is to diligently search for food sources that are the least tainted and processed by man.

Having my own modest organic garden has helped my family in that direction ever since I tilled the soil the 1st time in our backyard early in our marriage.

Other than that, it is often buyer beware. I seek organic produce, nuts, grains and legumes. When we do eat meat (rarely), we get grassfed beef/bison or wildcaught fish (no shellfish). I stay away from pork and foul.

And then of course, I don't eat any whites: refined sugers, refined salt or refined grains. I also don't eat dairy as I am lactose intollerant anyway.

I also avoid caffiene and limit alcohol to special occasions.

Metal
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"You're welcome." - Khalou

http://www.dailygalaxy.com/my_weblog/2011/07/are-we-living-i...

"Are We Living in a Holographic Universe? This May Be the Greatest Revolution of the 21st Century"

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Near death experiencers tell me it's true by the things they say about what they experienced, many physicists believe it to be true, and I even see hints in that direction from some things I read in the New Testament. Some of the verses have a very holographic flavor.

So I get affirmation from three different directions that it's true - so I have a high degree of confidence that more than likely it is true.

My mom was right, "truth is stranger than fiction."

Art
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So I get affirmation from three different directions that it's true - so I have a high degree of confidence that more than likely it is true.

And I get a sense that your method is rather incomplete.

First of all, the holographic universe theory is all over the place. How is it that you have looked all over and not found corroborating evidence? Exactly how hard did you look?

Secondly, how could you possibly equate the word of physicists with such unscientific endeavors as near death experiences and the new testament as equally viable "directions"?

Don't get me wrong here- I admire your dedication to moving knowledge beyond the place where you found it- I try to do the same in my way- and I am happy to make the acquaintance of someone who has the courage to present something unique.

But there is an established method by which we move knowledge forward and it involves falsification and predictability. It is not about what evidence you can assemble that proves you correct. Anything can be shown to be true by the methodology of induction. It is, instead, by the methodology of falsification and the requirement that your theory be able to predict future occurrences in reality that support your ideas.

I'm going to submit a post that speaks to the idea of truth and I hope it is taken well. Look for it.

In the meantime, know that I see in you a kindred spirit that is not satisfied with the status quo and seeks to be a catalyst in the movement of knowledge beyond what is current. Such a goal is worthy of praise whether or not someone agrees with you. :)

k
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