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Subject: Re: Heaven is real Date: 10/12/2012 9:16 AM
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Faith is a grace, a gift of God,(Ephesians 2:8) not something we can bring into existence by or drum up in ourselves, faith comes from hearing the word of Christ, (Romans 10:17) and we can pray for faith, "Lord, increase our faith."(Luke 17:5)

So this is the crux of what I do not understand.

If faith is bestowed by god, if you don't have any because you do not believe in god, you can't pray for faith, because you don't believe in the prayer itself.

This is where I have never been able to truly resolve the question of faith at all, and where I have never been able to comprehend christianity specifically.

Judaism is a religion of action. To act rightly is to be in accordance with the laws of god, and regardless of the belief in that god, if you act rightly you are living rightly, there is no true requirement for faith in god in the same way christianity requires it.

However, christianity says that without faith, you simply cannot be a true christian, regardless of right actions or deeds, without faith you are still denied.

And if faith is a gift from god and you simply do not have it, how is one to obtain it?

I'm not being snarky, I'm not even trying to point out circular logic.

But I do actually frame my own worldview in terms of logic, and I am not sure the vocabularies of faith and logic are compatible.

GSF
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