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Author: DerrikS Add to my Favorite Fools Ignore this person (you won't see their posts anymore) Number: of 42342  
Subject: family vehicles Date: 3/24/2001 9:52 PM
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Hey there, my wife and I are expecting our first child in May. I'm looking around for a good family car. I'm NOT about to drive around a minivan though. I was considering an suv for my wife. I've heard some good things about the Isuzu Axiom. Has anyone else come across much about this?
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Author: TeraGram Big funky green star, 20000 posts Old School Fool Add to my Favorite Fools Ignore this person (you won't see their posts anymore) Number: 5453 of 42342
Subject: Re: family vehicles Date: 3/24/2001 10:17 PM
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Hey there, my wife and I are expecting our first child in May.

It's time for a Volvo.

- T.

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Author: cmonkey Big gold star, 5000 posts Add to my Favorite Fools Ignore this person (you won't see their posts anymore) Number: 5455 of 42342
Subject: Re: family vehicles Date: 3/25/2001 10:56 PM
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Of course, now that I live in HK, it's taxis and the subway, but do I *ever* miss my Subaru.

Ah, Gott in Himmel how I love my subie. I figure it's got plenty of life left in it for kids, but it's not so nice that I'll freak out when it gets urped on for the upteenth time. Plus its a wagon, and I have room in the wayback for the dawgs. I'm totally against minivans, and I think beags is even more outraged by them, if that's possible. <whew>

Subarus (and Toyotas) are superior cars and I'd think seriously about getting one.

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Author: garyyager One star, 50 posts Add to my Favorite Fools Ignore this person (you won't see their posts anymore) Number: 5456 of 42342
Subject: Re: family vehicles Date: 3/26/2001 9:01 AM
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The axiom is based of the Rodeo. It has a traditional ladder style truck frame. It drives / rides like a truck and not a car. It's a new model, no safety or repair data yet, but it should be simiar to Rodeo's crash performance & reliability.

You also might want to consider Toyota's Highlander, just like the Lexus RX300, it based on Toyota's Camry. But the Highlander is roomier and about $10,000 less. It drives / rides like a tall Camry. It is also a new model, so look to the RX300 & Camry to get an idea for reliability & crash performance.

If you want to go with slightly smaller SUV, Hyundai Santa Fe is pretty impressive. Hyundai has fixed thier quality problems and is making great cars right now, as well as offering the best waranties in the business.



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Author: kpim Big red star, 1000 posts Add to my Favorite Fools Ignore this person (you won't see their posts anymore) Number: 5457 of 42342
Subject: Re: family vehicles Date: 3/26/2001 10:32 AM
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Let's take this thread over to LBYM... just kidding ;-)

I have a Toyota Rav4, what I refer to as the red-headed step-child of the Toyota line. It doesn't get the attention that the other models get or that I think it deserves. It's a small SUV, based in a car chasis. Mine's a 4 door, which is the only the way to go with the carseat factor. It can actually be used in a light truck capacity. It has about 18 inches of ground clearance, so that if you wanted to take it over the river and though the woods, you can. It's been very reliable and low mainteneance in the three years I've had it. In '98 it was around $20,000 with a great warranty. I have the 5 speed 2wd with keyless entry, alarm, electric windows and locks and CD player. It blue-books around 15K after 3 years.

I like that it has the space to take some stuff with you, but it isn't so big that it's hard to park or manuever. Also, the back seats fold down to increase the cargo space. I particularly like that the back seats fold down in two sections so that you can leave one side for seating and fold the other for cargo.

New ones still run around $22K. They've updated the body and options, but it's still a good solid small SUV. I love my Rav4 and would highly reccommend a Toyota. I've heard good things about all the larger SUV's as well.

-Kelly
Loves cars. Saw a yellow Ferrari Modna yesterday. *sigh* Not a family car!




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Author: cmonkey Big gold star, 5000 posts Add to my Favorite Fools Ignore this person (you won't see their posts anymore) Number: 5458 of 42342
Subject: Re: family vehicles Date: 3/26/2001 10:56 AM
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New ones still run around $22K. They've updated the body and options,
but it's still a good solid small SUV. I love my Rav4 and would highly
reccommend a Toyota. I've heard good things about all the larger SUV's
as well.


Beags has a Rav, and I covet it. SUCH fun to drive, and pretty good for filling up with junk. The wayback is too small for the dawgs, though, which is the major factor for me in sticking with wagons. The seats, btw, fold ALL the way down, which means you can nap on roadtrips without having to sleep in the front seat. That's a big plus for me, 'cause I'm all about roadtrip naps.

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Author: reallyalldone Big funky green star, 20000 posts Old School Fool Add to my Favorite Fools Ignore this person (you won't see their posts anymore) Number: 5459 of 42342
Subject: Re: family vehicles Date: 3/26/2001 11:09 AM
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I've had minivans and still have a couple of Subarus in the stable. I also currently have an SUV. I used my older son for a car tester most of his life. When he was 3, he was the tester for - could he get in the car by himself because I had an infant and wasn't up for lifting him in while trying to strap in the baby. When he got much older, he was the tester for - could he fit in the car when the time came for him to drive.

If you buy any type of SUV, be prepared for lifting your child in for quite a few years. My Subarus have lasted forever - the oldest is a '91 with about 165K miles. I had more than one child when I had the minivans but I liked having that many seatbelts and being able to take my kids' friends along whenever they asked.

Unless you only have 2-door cars, there's not much need to change. You may not want to add the expense of a new car at this point in time.

rad

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Author: artlv Three stars, 500 posts Add to my Favorite Fools Ignore this person (you won't see their posts anymore) Number: 5460 of 42342
Subject: Re: family vehicles Date: 3/26/2001 11:30 AM
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Hey there, my wife and I are expecting our first child in May. I'm looking around for a good family car.

Ok, we know minivans are out, SUVs maybe.

If you can specify some additional criteria for what constitutes a "good family car" maybe we can offer more specific input besides anecdotes about what we drive.

What do you have now, and in what areas do you anticipate it will fall short?

Accord & Maxima in this household, no complaints on the "family car" front from us. This includes getting the front end of the Accord smushed in very early in the pregnancy (wife driving), and a fender-bender in the Maxima when the baby was about 2 months old (baby in back seat in infant carrier).

Of course, wouldn't you know it, the baby (I suppose somewhat like dad) does not like being in the car (either one)! We flipped his carseats around a little ahead of schedule thinking that he might prefer that, but no dice.

YMMV,

Art

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Author: TeraGram Big funky green star, 20000 posts Old School Fool Add to my Favorite Fools Ignore this person (you won't see their posts anymore) Number: 5461 of 42342
Subject: Re: family vehicles Date: 3/26/2001 11:53 AM
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Of course, wouldn't you know it, the baby (I suppose somewhat like dad) does not like being in the car (either one)!

Well, let's see.... accident in utero, accident at 2 months... he's probably waiting for the next one to happen any day now!

I'm grateful that my little one does enjoy driving. I put on many, many miles while pregnant doing the census.

Just yesterday I drove around town (a small little hamlet of about 13k) for an hour because little bundle o'joy fell asleep on the way home from our shopping trip in Oxnard (love the Carter's outlet, donchyano) and I was unwilling to awaken her. So, I drove and drove and drove until my bladder felt like it was going to burst. All in all she got about an hour and a half's nap, which is very long for her (aka Baby Micronaps).

In fact, the entire reason for the shopping trip was her refusal/inability to nap at all yesterday, due to Tooth # 2 making its entrance. So, rather than just subjecting my husband to wails & crying & fussing, I decided to make unsuspecting strangers suffer.

Of course, being the good contrarian, she was sweet as an angel and smiled & babbled at everyone who coochie-cooed in her direction.

- T.

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Author: AlisonWonderland Big funky green star, 20000 posts Old School Fool Add to my Favorite Fools Ignore this person (you won't see their posts anymore) Number: 5462 of 42342
Subject: Re: family vehicles Date: 3/26/2001 12:52 PM
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I'm grateful that my little one does enjoy driving.

When my daughter was about 20 months old, we (dad, mom, kid) were on our way to visit one of the local museums.

Along the way, her dad said, "we're driving to the museum."

"No, Daddy," she replied, "you're driving, Mommy and I are riding."

Back on topic, though, I drive a 16 year old, no longer available, old-fashioned, 8 cylinder, traditional station wagon, which I love (except in winter weather).

~~ Alison

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Author: grezek00 Three stars, 500 posts Add to my Favorite Fools Ignore this person (you won't see their posts anymore) Number: 5463 of 42342
Subject: Re: family vehicles Date: 3/26/2001 1:48 PM
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Hey there, my wife and I are expecting our first child in May. I'm looking around for a good family car. I'm NOT about to drive around a minivan though. I was considering an suv for my wife. I've heard some good things about the Isuzu Axiom. Has anyone else come across much about this?
I thought about an suv, but trying to keep the overall cost around 17-18k there wasn't much choice. We ended up buying a Saturn LS in June 2000. Got a good deal on a 2000 model (they may not negotiate but they were offering 1k off sticker with low interest financing). It's got good safety and reliability ratings and lots of storage space.
-g

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Author: artlv Three stars, 500 posts Add to my Favorite Fools Ignore this person (you won't see their posts anymore) Number: 5466 of 42342
Subject: Re: family vehicles Date: 3/26/2001 3:51 PM
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artlv:
Of course, wouldn't you know it, the baby (I suppose somewhat like dad) does not like being in the car (either one)!

TeraGram:
Well, let's see.... accident in utero, accident at 2 months... he's probably waiting for the next one to happen any day now!

Bwah-ha-ha! Good one! I hadn't quite seen it in that perspective, but you may be on to something (I forgot about the third (!) parking lot fender-bender, also during pregnancy...).

I'm grateful that my little one does enjoy driving.

Blessed are you.

Thankfully, he did very well on his first plane ride. We are subjecting him to another, even longer airplane journey soon, and are keeping our fingers crossed that he takes it in stride as well as he did the first.

Also, I was in a hurry and rather abrupt with my earlier post. Embarrassingly, I neglected to congratulate DerrikS on the exciting news. Doh!

Congratulations and good luck!

Later,

Art

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Author: TamarianG Big red star, 1000 posts Feste Award Nominee! Old School Fool Add to my Favorite Fools Ignore this person (you won't see their posts anymore) Number: 5470 of 42342
Subject: Re: family vehicles Date: 3/26/2001 5:43 PM
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Hey, don't knock mini-vans! They have their good points, too. For one thing, they...well, sometimes they...hmm.

Anyway, we have two cars in our family: a Ford E-250 van conversion, and a Ford Escort wagon, which is an economical little monster which just runs and runs and runs...no matter how much you might wish it would die so you had a good excuse to buy a new car! The van is huge and a gas-hog, BUT, when you're taking the kids on a 400-mile-each-way trip to visit Grandma it is a god-send. We also use it for recreation, camp in it, all that good jazz. It's just the right size for casual camping...

The Taurus wagon is also a nice choice, and what I would have bought if I were interested in going over $10K back in 1996. Which I wasn't, which is why I'm still driving that Escort...

And I SWEAR I neither sell the vehicles nor do I have stock in Ford. I just have had really good luck with their cars, from my first Tempo in 1985 all the way down the line...

Onward!
Tamarian

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Subject: Re: family vehicles Date: 3/26/2001 5:51 PM
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It's time for a Volvo.

Not all of us can fit in a Volvo.

..IF
too darn tall


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Author: noughitall Big red star, 1000 posts Add to my Favorite Fools Ignore this person (you won't see their posts anymore) Number: 5489 of 42342
Subject: Re: family vehicles Date: 3/28/2001 5:23 PM
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I'm NOT about to drive around a minivan though.

Derrik,

Image is nothing;

Being able to pick a pacifier up off the floor in the back without parking the car, getting out in the rain, and climbing in through the back door is everything.

Regards,
Alan

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Subject: Re: family vehicles Date: 3/28/2001 5:53 PM
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Being able to pick a pacifier up off the floor

The solution to that, of course, is to never give the kidlet a pacifier to begin with.

- T.

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Subject: Re: family vehicles Date: 3/28/2001 7:18 PM
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The solution to that, of course, is to never give the kidlet a pacifier to begin with.

This post and the one that followed it really bother me. Why would you assume to know that another child shouldn't have a pacifier ? If you'd said, " I didn't give my kid a pacifier", I probably wouldn't have noticed the post. Or if the original post had been about pacifiers instead of buying cars.

rad


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Subject: Re: family vehicles Date: 3/28/2001 7:30 PM
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The solution to that, of course, is to never give the kidlet a pacifier to begin with.



Definitely.

Sarah
...what, a thumb's not good enough for you? Coupla fingers? A wrist? A toe?
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LOL

I was not into pacifiers. I never used them, and I never wanted to. (My mom carried them around with her *everywhere* just in case I changed my mind.)

With Corey, it was breast or nothing. Drew, OTOH, sucked his right pointer finger (and does to this day) and his toes, and just about anything else he could get ahold of as long as it wasn't food in any way shape or form.

Rebecca
So glad I never had to deal with taking a pacifier (or a bottle) away.

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Subject: Re: family vehicles Date: 3/28/2001 7:55 PM
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Just my .02.

My oldest used a pacifier, but was easy to let go. My second never wanted it.

Beth

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Subject: Re: family vehicles Date: 3/29/2001 9:17 AM
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The solution to that, of course, is to never give the kidlet a pacifier to begin with.

Tera,

Feel free to substitute graham cracker, sippy cup or rattle. The point remains that your kids will be riding in the back, and you're going to need to get back there. There is no more convenient vehicle for this than a minivan.

Alan



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Author: artlv Three stars, 500 posts Add to my Favorite Fools Ignore this person (you won't see their posts anymore) Number: 5497 of 42342
Subject: Re: family vehicles Date: 3/29/2001 11:18 AM
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The point remains that your kids will be riding in the back, and you're going to need to get back there. There is no more convenient vehicle for this than a minivan.

I can pretty much reach anything in the back of our Accord (except the ledge at the rear windshield--although firm braking could solve this... :-), without leaving the drivers seat.

Not so easy in the Maxima, though likely because of my short arms--it's a little bigger car. A tall person would probably be able to do it.

I imagine something like a Metro would be even easier than the Accord in this respect.

Later,

Art

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Author: eyesofblue Three stars, 500 posts Add to my Favorite Fools Ignore this person (you won't see their posts anymore) Number: 5507 of 42342
Subject: Re: family vehicles Date: 3/31/2001 11:46 AM
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Feel free to substitute graham cracker, sippy cup or rattle. The point remains that your kids will be riding in the back, and you're going to need to get back there. There is no more convenient vehicle for this than a minivan.

my truck is pretty good for this. She rides up front (no air bag,) there is no back where things can disappear. disadvantage, however is only one child can ride with only one adult!

eob

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Subject: Re: family vehicles Date: 4/1/2001 7:43 PM
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I read a couple articles on that Isuzu Axiom, and actually it's supposed to have the longest Powertrain Warranty, not Subaru. 120,000 miles. I got it from www.isuzuaxiom.com. Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think so. Check it for yourself.

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