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Going to do this all in one thread. Looking for nominations for post of the year and thread of the year. Polls coming on Wednesday.

Also any additional suggestions for FAQ content, trip reports and links would be appreciated.

-FAQTroll
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One thing I noticed is the book recommendations could be refreshed. For beginner books I'd probably add Ed Miller's new book (though I haven't read it, but I imagine it is a good started book). Then for advanced books add Ed Miller's SSHE and Harrington's NL books.

We should have a link to bison's converter and a guide to posting hand histories (i.e. don't post results, clean them up, etc)

I will try to find some good posts.

One that comes to mind is Ott's reply to my newbie post last yr:

http://boards.fool.com/Message.asp?mid=21113734
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Got some suggestions but don't have time to dig now...will get to them as soon as I can though...

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In the book review section, I'd add the 2+2 books published in the last year or so:

Getting Started in Hold'em -- Miller
Harrington on Hold'em -- Vols 1 & 2
Small Stakes Hold'em -- Miller & friends

GSIH hasn't been discussed much here, but I think it is a great beginners book and even somewhat interesting to read for intermediate level players.

It isn't as much of a how-to book as Lee Jones' book, but it is better at telling a newbie what he/she should be thinking about. Overall, I think Miller and Jones combined are probably the first two books that a beginner should read.
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Overall, I think Miller and Jones combined are probably the first two books that a beginner should read.

It's interesting because I liked Jones when I first read him. Then I spent the next 18 months beating the bad habits he taught me out of my game, and I'm still not done.

He teaches a very weak tight style of play. Now, when you're still wondering if a flush beats a straight, that sort of advice can be useful. It can help you get your feet wet and break even while you do. Certainly it's a better book for a beginner than, say, Ken Warren's debacle of a book or Theory of Poker - the first 2 books I decided to read. Still, I think the bad habits are too high a price to pay just to avoid losses while you learn.

I would recommend Miller for a beginner. I would recommend Hold em Poker by Sklansky for a beginner as well. Both these books will give new players a head start without teaching them terrible habits.

Steve
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I would recommend Miller for a beginner. I would recommend Hold em Poker by Sklansky for a beginner as well. Both these books will give new players a head start without teaching them terrible habits.


If you are talking about SSHE you should bear in mind that Miller didn't write it for beginners. I haven't read WLLHE (and am not sure when I will) but most folks agree that it at least teaches a winning style that can take anyone out of the gate gate at low limits.

I started with HEP and thought that was an excellent starting book merely because it was so simple. Sklansky introduces a few concepts but mainly gives a starting hands chart and says 'go'. HEPFAP was the same book, just far more detailed.

Maybe GSWHE is the book that spy is referring to. It's probably a fine book for beginners but until someone actually reads it we should probably hold off featuring it in the FAQ.

There are also a ton of Conjelco and other books that get little play because they are outside of the Two Plus Two spectrum that is so prominent here.
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I like the 2+2 threads but I'm a little reluctant to post links to threads at other sites. If you want to create a post featuring links with a little editorializing then that might make sense.

I will be linking Guido's site which has a lot of 2+2 links on it.
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Overall, I think Miller and Jones combined are probably the first two books that a beginner should read.

It's interesting because I liked Jones when I first read him. Then I spent the next 18 months beating the bad habits he taught me out of my game, and I'm still not done.


I couldn't agree more. Jones's recommended style is a good way for a beginner not to lose a lot of money. If you want to get your feet wet without getting burned too badly when you go wrong or when variance falls on the negative side, it's OK. But it will teach you to be to cautious and you will leave a lot of money on the table - you'll have to un-learn that.

To truly increase your winnings, you have to take the training wheels off. Sure, you're going to get scraped up a bit more, but it will be worth it over the long run.

I followed Jones up with SSHE and in combitation with this board, my game and my bankroll have improved significantly.
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Maybe GSWHE is the book that spy is referring to. It's probably a fine book for beginners but until someone actually reads it we should probably hold off featuring it in the FAQ.

Yes, I was referring to GSIH, not SSH. I have read all of GSIH -- it's a pretty quick read.

As far as Jones: well, of course it is not perfect, but it is a pretty good book for beginners IMO. Nothing more, nothing less.

Personally, it helped me tremendously in two ways when I was starting out:
(1) The starting hand charts got me to the flop in a reasonably +EV manner.
(2) It gives strong advice to not slowplay -- which is something beginners tend to do way to much of.
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I would recommend Miller for a beginner. I would recommend Hold em Poker by Sklansky for a beginner as well. Both these books will give new players a head start without teaching them terrible habits.

I'd agree with Steve here. As long as you are not an absolute beginner still trying to figure out the hand rankings, you can easily start with Miller and understand enough of it. The first book I read was Carson's and I still think it's a decent book, though maybe that's just because he was my first book that I bought. I read King Yao's pre-book when it was on the web, but I never liked his method of calculating odds.



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Patch, I'm doing a half day tomorrow. Gimme some time tomorrow afternoon to do some digging and see if I can find something for you, or at least give you some opinions if you have a few you like already picked out.

Honestly, the thread I just posted is turning into one worth considering...the concept of leaving +EV on the table to minimize variance in a tournament is really a great concept to breech.

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Gimme some time tomorrow afternoon to do some digging

I probably won't be able to complete it until tonight anyway so go ahead and post it here. I browsed through the board for the last year but guarantee I barely scratched the surface of our collective content. Still managed to pick out about a dozen posts/threads I like.

I also am using some of the stuff that you linked in last year's FAQ thread.
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Thread of the year thoughts.
Disclaimer: I haven't thoroughly read through these again...mostly I just skimmed through them and recalled whatever I could about them.

http://boards.fool.com/Message.asp?mid=20813444&sort=whole
Sklansky vs. Carlson

http://boards.fool.com/Message.asp?mid=20931122&sort=whole
Playing big pairs and middle pairs from LP with a field

http://boards.fool.com/Message.asp?mid=21062726&sort=whole
I like this one which had some interesting stuff on small suited connectors in NL. Reality is, it should be closely matched with this one:
http://boards.fool.com/Message.asp?mid=21063843&sort=whole
Which is an extention of the discussion.
Combined, the two are truly one of my favorites and probably what I would nominate for TotY...
The downside is, IIRC, there got to be some pretty nasty fights between Rick and I in them. But the content is terrific.

http://boards.fool.com/Message.asp?mid=21080169&sort=whole
Another one with great NL content around reading your opponent vs. a very tight PF raiser when you flop bottom set on a mostly paint board.

http://boards.fool.com/Message.asp?mid=21234344&sort=whole
5/10 6m starting hands discussion

http://boards.fool.com/Message.asp?mid=21372979&sort=whole
Size matters! :-)

http://boards.fool.com/Message.asp?mid=21749258&sort=whole
Taxes should always be a consideration.

http://boards.fool.com/Message.asp?mid=21990197&sort=whole
A possibility

http://boards.fool.com/Message.asp?mid=22172766&sort=whole
Good thread on turning pro.

http://boards.fool.com/Message.asp?mid=22442746&sort=whole
Some interesting content in potentially controvertial decisions.

http://boards.fool.com/Message.asp?mid=22684363&sort=whole
And I'll nominate this recent one on leaving EV on the table to avoid variance.


Post of the Year thoughts...

http://boards.fool.com/Message.asp?mid=21624470
If this doesn't take it, I'm not sure what will.

http://boards.fool.com/Message.asp?mid=21685690
I've gotta pimp myself...

I don't have too many other suggestions here.

Good luck!

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If this doesn't take it, I'm not sure what will.


Thunder stealer.

It is an obvious choice though.
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Not going to get it done today. Heading out in an hour and won't have the web resources to get it right. Hopefully post it on Tuesday.

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If this doesn't take it, I'm not sure what will.


For the first paragraph or so, I couldn't remember where this one was going. Then neo started scribbling and it all came back to me. I had to turn around and do some work for a minute. Started giggling to myself. A little. Then a lot. If my co-worker didn't think I was a little nuts before, he surely does now.

Finished my work and finished reading thru the post. I actually laughed harder the second time through than I did on the first read. Now THAT'S a sign of a good story!

-NGR
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I like the 2+2 threads but I'm a little reluctant to post links to threads at other sites. If you want to create a post featuring links with a little editorializing then that might make sense.

I will be linking Guido's site which has a lot of 2+2 links on it.


I would appreciate this link, even 6 months later. Sorry if I missed it earlier.

naj
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I would appreciate this link, even 6 months later. Sorry if I missed it earlier.

http://www.poker.favos.nl/
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