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Subject: Fool 13 Steps to Buying a Car needs a 14th step Date: 8/20/2000 3:09 PM
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After listening to the portion of today's show about buying cars (8/20/00), I visited fool.com for the first time. The 13 steps to buying a car is one of the best resources that I have encountered for buying cars.

I really only had one objection and that was that Obtaining Financing was Step 3 after negotiating the price of the new car and trade-in.

A prospective car buyer should always arrange financing in advance with their own credit union or bank before discussing the same with the likes of GMAC, FMCC, Chrysler Financial, etc.

Even if you are planning to take advantage of special Original Equipment Manufacturer (OEM) financing, you are in a position of strength when you enter into negotiations prequalified.

In addition, a prospective car buyer should review their consumer credit files (something that should be done at least once per year as SOP) in advance of applying for a loan:

www.experian.com
www.equifax.com
www.transunion.com

What you don't know will hurt you - see www.creditscoring.com for details.

Finally, a 14th step is in order. The fool auto expert was "spot on" when he stated that a good, modern automobile will last 10 years or more with proper care - I have surpassed 200,000 miles or 10 years with vehicles that are on Consumer Reports "avoid" lists (see http://www.consumerreports.org/Special/Worksheets/Reports/0008use7.htm) and I have NO FORMAL automotive training.

Proper Maintenance (PM) is the 14th step that will help a vehicle remain a clean, reliable, and economical means of transportation. Anyone can learn to practice PM without extensive training or expensive tools. All you need is a clean paper towel, a good tire gage (a $15 dial-type gage available at most major auto parts stores), and a notebook.

Everyone should check all their fluids, tire pressures, operation of lights/horn, etc. at least MONTHLY. Get out the owner's manual and make a checklist of the items to check on your particular vehicle. If the owner's manual doesn't have enough information, the buy the $12.99 Haynes repair manual for your car (auto parts stores or www.haynes.com). Chapter 1 on maintenance will show you what to do with easy step-by-step instructions, photos, and diagrams. Also try www.carcarecouncil.org or www.familycar.com.

Make a chart of all the OEM recommended maintenance/frequency in the first column. In adjacent columns pencil-in the date/mileage of the last service. In the final column pencil-in the projected month and mileage (to the nearest 100 miles) of the next service due. Review this list each month to see what is coming due in the way of scheduled maintenance.

I always recommend following the OEM's "severe" schedule regardless of the type of driving you do (the OEM's motivation is to avoid paying warranty claims, but keep you coming back to buy more cars).

Here are some other standard comments I give to consumers I am helping with car related questions:

1. I recommend a new car vs. a used car. Here is why:

A. A new car has the least probability of being abused, neglected, odometer rolled back, wrecked, etc.

B. A new car has the full OEM warranty and they are not going to deny your claim because the previous owner(s) skipped the required maintenance.

C. A new car has lemon law protection when the OEM warranty doesn't help.

D. Financing rates on new cars are lower than on used cars (because new cars are lower risk).

E. When you look at the price difference between a new car (especially with special OEM financing or rebates) vs. a used car over the 10 year life of the car, we are talking pennies per day. A small price to pay for the added benefits.

2. Get the invoice price for the car you are interested in at:

www.edmunds.com
www.kbb.com
www.nadaguides.com
www.carprices.com

Also check the prenegotiated prices at COSTCO, Sams Club, AAA, etc. if you are a member.

Also try the websellers:

www.autobytel.com
www.greenlight.com
www.carsdirect.com
www.carorder.com

Fax or email your offer of total invoice prices for vehicle, options, and fair profit (see edmunds.com for details) to every dealership within a reasonable drive.

Compare "drive out" prices from every source above (drive out includes tax, tag, title, and all fees).

3. If you have to go "used" due to budget, then try to:

A. Buy from the original owner who has properly maintained the car and has the records to prove it.

B. If not buying from the original owner, then try to buy from somewhere that has a free return period and some kind of warranty (e.g. AutoMaxCarNation).

C. Check the VIN for any used car at www.carfax.com

D. Have it inspected by an independent diagnostic mechanic.

E. You can get an idea of the book value of the vehicle at the URLs for new car prices above.

4. Once you have the car, learn to take proper care of it. Every month check all of the fluids, tire pressures, operation of lights, horn, etc. Follow the OEM "severe" maintenance schedule and keep immaculate records.

You can learn more at:

www.familycar.com
www.carcarecouncil.org

best of luck

PS A good resource for consumer auto questions is www.clarkhoward.com - the "Cars" message board. He has plenty of other good consumer advice as well.


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Author: x62656172 Big red star, 1000 posts Add to my Favorite Fools Ignore this person (you won't see their posts anymore) Number: 7143 of 71413
Subject: Re: Fool 13 Steps to Buying a Car needs a 14th s Date: 8/20/2000 4:55 PM
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E. When you look at the price difference between a new car (especially with special OEM financing or rebates) vs. a used car
over the 10 year life of the car, we are talking pennies per day. A small price to pay for the added benefits.


making up some (reasonable) numbers --
$30000 new,
20% Depreciation is $6000, which is
a buck-sixty/day over 10yrs.

not what i'd call 'pennies'
(is what i'd call a 'reasonable' price for the added benefits )


=jpt

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Author: DriversWay Two stars, 250 posts Add to my Favorite Fools Ignore this person (you won't see their posts anymore) Number: 7148 of 71413
Subject: Re: Fool 13 Steps to Buying a Car needs a 14th s Date: 8/21/2000 9:45 AM
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HI!
Thanks for the postive comments on the Fool Car Buying Series!

You wrote, "I really only had one objection and that was that Obtaining Financing was Step 3 after negotiating the price of the new car and trade-in."

I think you if you read the 13 steps carefully you will find that we suggest preparing the financing prior to buying a vehicle. http://www.fool.com/car/Buyingacar.htm
The first 9 steps set you up to buy the ONE vehicle that fits your needs, now you haven't purchased it yet you have just found what you want to buy. Step 10 talks about trade secrets, which really could use some improvement, but if you read the USED CAR BUYING steps and apply them in reverse you are doing just fine. Step 11 talks about financial preps, still you haven't negotiated the price on a new car, but you are getting ready to. Step 12 is the fax a thon step, this is the ART OF THE DEAL, this is the point at which you are purchasing the vehicle.

So what you have done is your HOMEWORK on the vehicle you want, the trade value of your old vehicle, and the financing parameters available to you. Now you buy the vehicle with the fax-a-thon, so now you need to trade and finance, which you are well prepared for when you go in to sign the papers on the purchase. This approach puts you in the negotiation seat with the dealerships since you are not stuck with whatever they throw on the table. (trades and financing are the most profitable business in the new car dealership, commonly known as the "back end") The real point is saying that the order is Negotiate the Price, arrange trade, and financing is to get people to treat these as three seperate deals with a car dealership. If you don't you end up in a three card monte, or shell game, you never know what you are really getting. Keeping the 3 portions of a deal distinct is extremely important to the average vehicle consumer, but preparing for them in sort of a reverse order fashion is just as important!
The 13 steps of Foolish Car Buying takes this approach, of prepare then keep distinct, to me the consumer could never be served better!

Take CARe, Fool on!
Paul



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Author: JoelErika Two stars, 250 posts Add to my Favorite Fools Ignore this person (you won't see their posts anymore) Number: 7162 of 71413
Subject: Re: Fool 13 Steps to Buying a Car needs a 14th s Date: 8/21/2000 1:38 PM
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i'd agree with everything except the buy new part. Maybee if your talking a 10k squash box and your buying it for 8k used fine ,for 2k that makes sense but for more exspensive cars no way. I weaseld a 2yold Mitsubishi montero from a dealer way below book. The first owner took a 15k hit in 2 years!!! But if you track out for another 3 it should still be worth around 10-12k so I'm out 3-5 versus 15 (assuming I sell it). idon't anticipate any real problems we already drove 1 of these over 180,000 no problem.

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