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Subject: Frame rates Date: 7/12/2012 2:42 AM
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I am assembling a multi-camera DVD of one show of the recent Van Halen tour. They allowed open filming, and so there were cameras everywhere. I've managed to convince two people to send me their original files, and a couple of others are (hopefully) on the way. However, if I don't receive them, I can still download their 1080 files from Youtube. I *think* it lowers the resolution of the audio, but video is still 1080.

The question I have is, how do I figure out what the frame rates are? Youtube is at 30 f/s, and I'm not even sure what the frame rates are of the two videos I've received. I do have Vegas Video 10.0 Platinum. Is there any easy way to determine the frame rate of a random m2ts video file?

Assuming I end up with different ones, such as 60, 30, and 24, what's the best way to render so that I don't end up with a jerky finished product?
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Subject: Re: Frame rates Date: 7/12/2012 11:25 AM
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I am afraid you have gone beyond my ability to help.

Fuskie
Who does not think you can legally integrate video from YouTube into a video project without the permission of the author...

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Subject: Re: Frame rates Date: 7/12/2012 12:36 PM
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Who does not think you can legally integrate video from YouTube into a video project without the permission of the author...



It's odd that Youtube would allow anyone to download any video from their site, then.


My project is not to be sold for profit, btw.

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Subject: Re: Frame rates Date: 7/12/2012 3:13 PM
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You can use Real Player to download flash video from YouTube.

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Who doesn't think it matters if the video is to be sold for profit, as long as it is to be viewed publicly...

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Subject: Re: Frame rates Date: 7/12/2012 3:27 PM
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From Youtube's Terms of Service:

You agree not to distribute in any medium any part of the Service or the Content without YouTube's prior written authorization, unless YouTube makes available the means for such distribution through functionality offered by the Service (such as the Embeddable Player).

http://www.youtube.com/static?gl=US&template=terms

Richard

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Subject: Re: Frame rates Date: 7/12/2012 3:50 PM
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You can use Real Player to download flash video from YouTube.



How does this help?

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Subject: Re: Frame rates Date: 7/12/2012 4:00 PM
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unless YouTube makes available the means for such distribution through functionality offered by the Service



If the content is mine, or owned by the person who gave me permission to use it, I/we can do with it what I/we want, whether it's also up at Youtube or not. At any rate, there are a bazillion such fan-made DVDs out there, including the Led Zeppelin reunion show of 2007 sourced from Youtube. The Van Halen show in Vegas on 5/27/12 was compiled from video sources that are also viewable at Youtube. I'm not worried that the Youtube cops will somehow come knocking on my door. I'm concerned with how to best render a DVD consisting of files with multiple frame rates. Is that topic within anyone's area of expertise?

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Subject: Re: Frame rates Date: 7/13/2012 9:13 AM
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If the content is mine, or owned by the person who gave me permission to use it, I/we can do with it what I/we want, whether it's also up at Youtube or not.

Quite correct.

I'm concerned with how to best render a DVD consisting of files with multiple frame rates. Is that topic within anyone's area of expertise?

Way outside my expertise, but I'm thinking the source frame rates will be irrelevant, and the rendering engine will combine them all from the time line with the frame rate you choose.

Richard

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Subject: Re: Frame rates Date: 7/13/2012 6:26 PM
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I'm concerned with how to best render a DVD consisting of files with multiple frame rates. Is that topic within anyone's area of expertise?
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Way outside my expertise, but I'm thinking the source frame rates will be irrelevant, and the rendering engine will combine them all from the time line with the frame rate you choose.



That much is true, but depending on the frame rates of the source files, there are better and worse ways to do it, especially if you throw 24 f/s into the mix.

I've done a bit of reading, and my limited understanding is that if you have video file 'A' with 60f/s and file 'B' with 30 f/s, you can render at 60 and maintain the 60 f/s resolution on A and the rendering process will simply double-up the frames for file B, and so you might see a difference when the 'B' clips come up, especially if you're using slow motion.

Or if you render at 30 f/s, then it will down-res file 'A' by skipping every other frame and everything will match.

The complicated part seems to be when you're messing around with 24 f/s and you have to use a "2-3 pulldown", which is explained in the links below:

http://www.zerocut.com/tech/pulldown.html

and

http://blog.abelcine.com/2011/08/19/simple-workflow-for-remo...

and

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2403746,00.asp


It looks like I'm going to be able to obtain source files from 4 of the 5 people I've contacted. I think everything I'm going to be dealing with was shot at 60 f/s, and so if I render at 30 for NTSC, it shouldn't be a problem.

Whether they were all shot at 60p or 60i is another matter. But enough headaches for one day.

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Subject: Re: Frame rates Date: 7/13/2012 9:41 PM
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How does this help

Some video editors let you edit flash video files.

Fuskie
Who has done it with Studio...

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Subject: Re: Frame rates Date: 7/13/2012 10:08 PM
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Not quite correct. When a video is uploaded, that user agrees to YouTube's license, which gives them the right to control distribution of that instance. That doesn't preclude the author from distributing their original content as they see fit.

Fuskie
Who thinks there may be an out if the terms do specify distribution, as if OP plans to only use the resulting video for his personal use, that would not be a distribution, but if he gave someone a copy, even for free, then he would again be in violation of YouTube distribution prohibition, assuming that he cares...

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