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Author: LordFoolman Big gold star, 5000 posts Old School Fool Add to my Favorite Fools Ignore this person (you won't see their posts anymore) Number: of 741450  
Subject: Re: Free Will Date: 2/18/2013 1:25 AM
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Free will is the equivalent of a pachinko ball.

If you are familiar with the Japanese game of pachinko, then you will get this-

The pachinko ball is of a defined weight and size. It moves through space at a determined velocity. It encounters other masses that are also of a determined weight and size with all of the physical realities that they possess.

All of this equates to pure physics. It should be possible to predict into which slot the pachinko ball will land taking all of these things into consideration, but it can't be done-

Why?

Quantum variances.

As the pachinko ball encounters the pins, slight variances in the molecules of the solid objects involved lead to different outcomes.

Human beings are machines without souls or free will.

That being said, it should be possible to predict what a person will decide if given all of the physical parameters that led to the choice. The problem with that is that there are SO many variables included in a person's processes that any attempts to predict decisions, no matter how powerful the computing device may be, would be impossible.

Free will is "virtual" because of this. We virtually have free will because there are infinite variables that cannot be predicted. While "choice" is absolutely mechanical, I wouldn't call it "predestination".

k



I don't really know khalou, although I have read his posts in years past. He nails it. I don't know whether his "conclusion" is real or correct. But his/her subtle "framing" of the free ill issue is dead on. Right on. A nice, rational springboard from which to continue discussion/debate...
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