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Author: 307wolverine Big funky green star, 20000 posts Top Recommended Fools Add to my Favorite Fools Ignore this person (you won't see their posts anymore) Number: of 748978  
Subject: Good-bye everybody Date: 2/28/2013 10:15 PM
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By the time I wake up in the morning, the world will have ended. No doubt I will have been hit by a piece of falling sky. It's been nice knowing y'all. We're doomed.
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Subject: Re: Good-bye everybody Date: 2/28/2013 10:20 PM
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We're doomed.

No, we're not getting off that easy. Not when Obama wants to tell us how the world is going to end because the Republicans won't raise the debt ceiling by the end of March.

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Subject: Re: Good-bye everybody Date: 2/28/2013 11:12 PM
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The world ends at 12 midnight eastern time..... when the draconian cuts....spending more than last year...but less than the 'growth' increases budgeted are cut back a bit...


.....

planes will fall out of the sky

Kids will go to schools with no teachers...


people will starve to death and 170 million, according to Feinstein, will be laid off.


Granny will be pushed over the cliff.


if only those republicans wouldn't cave and just raise taxes ANOTHER trillion after the 650 billion increase two months ago......


if only...

then ...Obama could spend that trillion...and demand another trillion in carbon taxes...after he spent that..


he'd want a 10% national sales or VAT......


Then they'd nationalize the 3.5 trillion in 401K assets....spend it quickly...and demand even more taxes and money!...

He's insane



t.

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Subject: Re: Good-bye everybody Date: 3/1/2013 12:00 AM
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We're going out tomorrow night to celebrate the sequester.

arrete - really

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Subject: Re: Good-bye everybody Date: 3/1/2013 6:35 AM
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By the time I wake up in the morning, the world will have ended. No doubt I will have been hit by a piece of falling sky. It's been nice knowing y'all. We're doomed.
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Glad I got a chance to say goodbye. I didn't expect to obviously. However, I just saw it flashed across the TV as I was watching the AM weather, God errggh, I mean Obama has ensured that the cuts will not be implemented until as close to midnight as possible!

BTW, as this stuff goes on, it is harder and harder to believe Obama is not an at best pedestrian intellect. Yes he is getting things done following his CLoven and Hoofs methodology and getting things done, but the results either he is not very bright(aka at best) or he is intentionally out to harm America

On the upside, when we lose 170 billion jobs and a few other of the minor problems we can expect, we can all take comfort in that unemployment insurance is an economic stimulus. So much as each tax dollar yields 425.19 in growth, I would expect each job loss will yield a positive economic impact far in excess of anyone's imagination once the Unemployment kicks in

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Subject: Re: Good-bye everybody Date: 3/1/2013 8:26 AM
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Sequester is upon us! Planes are falling from the sky! Million are starving on the streets! The Laws of Thermodynamics have been repealed! A bajillion pre-K students have been kicked out of Head Start! Over 170 million jobs have been lost in a country with only ~150 million jobs! WE'RE ALL FIRED!

Or, you know... none of that has happened, nor will happen. Carry on.

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Subject: Re: Good-bye everybody Date: 3/1/2013 8:34 AM
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alright you little devil, you sparked sadness in this dog's heart when I saw the subject line....come to find out it's this doomday's scenario that the media and pols have built up. It's a bunch of chit!


bunch of knuckleheads up there and I blame the Gang of Four for it all.

fuzzy head dog this morning...time for a nap!

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Author: RetiredVermonter Big gold star, 5000 posts Old School Fool Add to my Favorite Fools Ignore this person (you won't see their posts anymore) Number: 673503 of 748978
Subject: Re: Good-bye everybody Date: 3/1/2013 10:34 AM
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Go ahead and laugh, folks, but those people who DO lose their jobs (and there will be many, for whatever reason) won't be laughing. Too bad some of you can't suffer with them.

My real concern is over the obvious inability of elected officials (president, congress, whoever), of any party, to get past their own selfish "re-elect me to..." concerns and deal with our nation's real problems -- and we have many. THAT scares me.

I also wish more of you (and countless others not even here) could somehow drop all the ridiculous finger-pointing at X, Y or Z because they are in the wrong "party" from your viewpoint.

But it was always thus, and will continue to be that way, I suppose.

Vermonter

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Subject: Re: Good-bye everybody Date: 3/1/2013 10:43 AM
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Go ahead and laugh, folks, but those people who DO lose their jobs (and there will be many, for whatever reason) won't be laughing. Too bad some of you can't suffer with them.

Oh, I have suffered under Obozo, thank you very much. Due to the anti-growth policies followed by this administration, many fewer trucks are being purchased, hence there is very little need to hire me to tranport new ones. Last year I earned $6000 transporting trucks. This year is shaping up to be just as bad.

When millions of private sector employess lose their jobs, that's just breaking eggs to make an omelet. But if a few government employees lose jobs... well, that's just absolutely terrible.

I long dismissed you as someone worth listening to and for some reason I unboxed you. Let me correct that oversight right now and put you back where you belong.

Wishing upon me continued economic hardship, huh? I am just glad that you decided to drop the mask and show us exactly what kind of person you really are.

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Subject: Re: Good-bye everybody Date: 3/1/2013 11:09 AM
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Go ahead and laugh, folks, but those people who DO lose their jobs (and there will be many, for whatever reason) won't be laughing. Too bad some of you can't suffer with them.

Why should anyone have to lose their job if the spending this year is more than last year but the anticipated and arbitrary revenue growth is cut just a wee bit?

If people's jobs are cut, it shows the priorities of 0bama, who doesn't have to cut one job. He might not be able to give away as much free stuff and be willing to sacrifice someone's job to be able to do that, but that's his choice Mr. Chicken Little Low Information Voter.

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Subject: Re: Good-bye everybody Date: 3/1/2013 11:30 AM
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Go ahead and laugh, folks, but those people who DO lose their jobs (and there will be many, for whatever reason) won't be laughing. Too bad some of you can't suffer with them.

I would rather a few people lose their bloated jobs today than the next generation lose their country.

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Subject: Re: Good-bye everybody Date: 3/1/2013 11:31 AM
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Go ahead and laugh, folks, but those people who DO lose their jobs (and there will be many, for whatever reason) won't be laughing. Too bad some of you can't suffer with them.

My real concern is over the obvious inability of elected officials (president, congress, whoever), of any party, to get past their own selfish "re-elect me to..." concerns and deal with our nation's real problems -- and we have many. THAT scares me.

I also wish more of you (and countless others not even here) could somehow drop all the ridiculous finger-pointing at X, Y or Z because they are in the wrong "party" from your viewpoint.

But it was always thus, and will continue to be that way, I suppose.

Vermonter
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Subject: Re: Good-bye everybody Date: 3/1/2013 12:30 PM
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but those people who DO lose their jobs (and there will be many, for whatever reason)

Suuuure there will. Up to 170 million I hear!

I will guarantee one thing though, anyone who loses their job for any reason what-so-ever (such as the job killer known as 0bamacare) will certainly blame it on the sequester. Even if they don't the media will do it for them. Lot of power in that 2.3% cut in funding, lol!

/That's a good start, add a "0" to it and now we're talking progress on the debt front!

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Subject: Re: Good-bye everybody Date: 3/1/2013 12:49 PM
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I will guarantee one thing though, anyone who loses their job for any reason what-so-ever (such as the job killer known as 0bamacare) will certainly blame it on the sequester. Even if they don't the media will do it for them. Lot of power in that 2.3% cut in funding, lol!
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I heard that alot of the 2.3% cut is actually not even in this year, some things are funded over a period of years, so it's not even a 2.3% cut this year.

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Subject: Re: Good-bye everybody Date: 3/1/2013 12:50 PM
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Why should anyone have to lose their job if the spending this year is more than last year but the anticipated and arbitrary revenue growth is cut just a wee bit?

You're looking at it the wrong way. In lib-world everything revolves around the federal government. If it isn't growing ain't nothin' growing! Even a 2.3% cut is terrible! That means millions of moochers, er, I mean people who depend on the federal government for their financial well-being, will have less money to spend at stores and restaurants and all those people will lose their jobs and they'll need more welfare, not less and the whole system will collapse!

Of course the government lowering everyone's paychecks by 2% this year via re-upping the payroll taxes... no, no need to worry about that. It's just 2%, not 2.3%! See, that 0.3% makes ALL the difference. And, you know, it's fine for the people to have to pay 2% more to the government but for the government to spend 2.3% less?!? OMG!!!!! Man the lifeboats, it's a financial iceberg!

These aren't serious people, in other words. It's all government-uber-alles with them. If it helps the government it's good but if it hurts the government it's bad. The people? Bah, who cares about them? They'll pay more and like it! Greedy jerks want to keep what they earn and give less of it to their betters, who the hell do they think they are?!? And saying the GOVERNMENT has to spend less? Pure insanity!

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Subject: Re: Good-bye everybody Date: 3/1/2013 12:54 PM
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I heard that alot of the 2.3% cut is actually not even in this year, some things are funded over a period of years, so it's not even a 2.3% cut this year.
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Subject: Re: Good-bye everybody Date: 3/1/2013 1:42 PM
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I will guarantee one thing though, anyone who loses their job for any reason what-so-ever (such as the job killer known as 0bamacare) will certainly blame it on the sequester.

Funny you should say that. I just heard 0bama on Fox News say that any economic news that we will hear in the upcoming weeks/months will be worse than it otherwise would have been solely due to the sequester.

He has brass ones. Can tell some real whoppers with a straight face while his MSM parrots get all tingly-legged and can't wait to repeat it.

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Subject: Re: Good-bye everybody Date: 3/1/2013 1:52 PM
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I will guarantee one thing though, anyone who loses their job for any reason what-so-ever (such as the job killer known as 0bamacare) will certainly blame it on the sequester.

Funny you should say that. I just heard 0bama on Fox News say that any economic news that we will hear in the upcoming weeks/months will be worse than it otherwise would have been solely due to the sequester.

He has brass ones. Can tell some real whoppers with a straight face while his MSM parrots get all tingly-legged and can't wait to repeat it.

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He has lead ones too, of course that is the heads of those still capable of supporting this lying hateful demagogue who on a good day is only deceitful

Although I have to admire being stupid enough to feel someone who keeps saying - if only the other guy would do as I want we could disagree, that other guy is so unreasonably --, is not a moron. Being that loyal to your religious icon is sick, but admirable in a way.

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Subject: Re: Good-bye everybody Date: 3/1/2013 2:24 PM
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Funny you should say that.

Nah, I just peeked at their playbook. The first page says "BLAME EVERYTHING ON REPUBLICANS!" There is no second page... it's a single page memo.

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Subject: Re: Good-bye everybody Date: 3/1/2013 4:04 PM
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Go ahead and laugh, folks, but those people who DO lose their jobs (and there will be many, for whatever reason) won't be laughing. Too bad some of you can't suffer with them.

My real concern is over the obvious inability of elected officials (president, congress, whoever), of any party, to get past their own selfish "re-elect me to..." concerns and deal with our nation's real problems -- and we have many. THAT scares me.

I also wish more of you (and countless others not even here) could somehow drop all the ridiculous finger-pointing at X, Y or Z because they are in the wrong "party" from your viewpoint.

But it was always thus, and will continue to be that way, I suppose.

Vermonter



RV,

I like you....but...you did plenty of finger pointing at Bush when he was the Pres. It was all over RECF.

Some of it was justified. Bush was a big spender and I agreed with you that the Iraq war was a mistake and the nation building was a colossal blunder.

But how you can NOT be all over Obama, his record breaking spending, his socialism, his attack on the 1st and 2nd amendments, his arrogance, narcissism etc... blows me away.

Do you really think Obama is dealing with our nation's problems the correct way? By more big gov't? By adding trillions to our debt?

Obama is a paper tiger. An empty suit.

He is going to fall big time. It may not be soon...but he will fall. God does not allow evil to exist for too long. He will fall and we will all have a front row seat. I don't know how it will happen...but it will.

I just hope the rest of us don't fall with him.

Being an Ex-pat is now a possibility in my FIRE strategy. So sad but true.

Metal

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Subject: Re: Good-bye everybody Date: 3/1/2013 4:23 PM
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Go ahead and laugh, folks, but those people who DO lose their jobs (and there will be many, for whatever reason) won't be laughing. Too bad some of you can't suffer with them.

If people lose their jobs because of a small cut in "projected spending increases", then tough!

I've lost my job before. Several times. I survived. I stuck it out. I did not go on welfare or UE. I busted my a$$ to get another one real quick.

I was laid off from my 1st software development job a few months after I got married while my wife was carrying our 1st child. I had a part time job at a steak & seafood restaurant at the time so I went full time for 2 months until I got another full time programmer job. I kept the part-time job for the weekends. Oh ya, I was taking 6-9 hours going to night school to finish my computer science degree.

I was laid off again 7 years ago. I spent 5 weeks doing home projects because I was smart enough to set aside an E-Fund. I got a better job and cut my commute by 30%.

It seems to me that America candy a$$es need a dose of reality that life can be tough and that big daddy gov't is not supposed to be there from cradle to gravel.

Obama supporters can't beat their way out of a 'wet' paper bag.

They are pathetic losers!

I find it offensive that the democrats, DC drama queens and the beltway circle jerks are crying like the weenies they are...all about a pathetically small cut in gov't.

And you RV are crying just like them. Grow a frakking pair of balls RV.

Metal

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Subject: Re: Good-bye everybody Date: 3/1/2013 4:36 PM
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Hear, hear!!

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Subject: Re: Good-bye everybody Date: 3/1/2013 4:57 PM
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I think it's truly sad that so many of you assume that the only jobs lost will be "government jobs", and that it's all Obama's fault. That is downright silly.

If you can open up your eyes a bit, you can appreciate how losses in spending in civilian OR military areas will cause cutbacks throughout the country, which means cutbacks in expenditures for subcontractors in all kinds of areas. Those cutbacks will, in turn, then cause those people to spend less on food, clothing, you name it. And then THOSE people will have to cut back, etc.

The "ripples in the pond" metaphor applies.

No, it's not the end of the world, but it can hurt our economy badly.

Is it Obama's fault? Sure, partly, but it's also partly the fault of those who oppose ANYTHING he does. It's simply ridiculous, as I said before.

Vermonter

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Subject: Re: Good-bye everybody Date: 3/1/2013 5:42 PM
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I think it's truly sad that so many of you assume that the only jobs lost will be "government jobs", and that it's all Obama's fault. That is downright silly.

If you can open up your eyes a bit, you can appreciate how losses in spending in civilian OR military areas will cause cutbacks throughout the country, which means cutbacks in expenditures for subcontractors in all kinds of areas. Those cutbacks will, in turn, then cause those people to spend less on food, clothing, you name it. And then THOSE people will have to cut back, etc.
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It's true, these "Sledgehammer cuts" will effect regular folks, much like Artimus and myself:

http://www.cato.org/blog/lets-shed-tear-under-appreciated-bu...

Indeed, I think we have our first recipient. But brace yourself before you read this passage—the anguish and suffering may haunt you for the rest of your life. This bureaucrat, who is enduring unimaginable hardship:

has already cut back in anticipation of the forthcoming budget slashing: He told a carpenter who was going to build bookshelves in the living room that the $5,000 job will have to be put off, and he told his doggie day care provider that he’ll have to go without that service when the furloughs kick in.
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The horror.

When I first read this story in the Washington Post about supposedly under-appreciated federal bureaucrats, I was tempted to focus on the sentence referring to “the sledgehammer of budget cuts scheduled to hit today.” Below is the Congressional Budget Office’s depiction of this “sledgehammer.” Does the Washington Post really think that a 1.2 percent reduction in overall spending for the current fiscal year (which means the federal budget would still be larger than it was last year) represents a “sledgehammer of budget cuts”?

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Subject: Re: Good-bye everybody Date: 3/1/2013 5:49 PM
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2828, stop quoting this person. At least I can laugh at FMNH, WeepyJoel, and a few others. This person is just hateful.

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Subject: Re: Good-bye everybody Date: 3/1/2013 7:41 PM
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When I first read this story in the Washington Post about supposedly under-appreciated federal bureaucrats, I was tempted to focus on the sentence referring to “the sledgehammer of budget cuts scheduled to hit today.” Below is the Congressional Budget Office’s depiction of this “sledgehammer.” Does the Washington Post really think that a 1.2 percent reduction in overall spending for the current fiscal year (which means the federal budget would still be larger than it was last year) represents a “sledgehammer of budget cuts”?
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Personally, I can find it in my heart to forgive them, after all they are actually paid to listen to Obama's speeches

And anyone listening to Obama speeches will naturally have their brain turn to mush, so I even support their disability payment(give or take 1.2 percent)

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Subject: Re: Good-bye everybody Date: 3/2/2013 10:46 AM
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I can't believe how much c**p is written on this board.

And then I read a direct quote from Cantor saying that yes, it is "probably an accurate conclusion" that thanks to his persuasion (and perhaps Ryan's,) Boehner's and Obama's possible agreement about a $4 trillion bargain being worked out was deliberately killed.

There was a chance of some sort of bipartisan agreement and that .... smartass destroyed it????

I realize Cantor is just out there doing what the folks on this board want him to do....putting his party and his future ambitions ahead of the good of the country.

RetiredVermonter, you are the only sane voice in this board's cacophony...

Big Momma

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Subject: Re: Good-bye everybody Date: 3/2/2013 11:45 AM
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2828:

Your sarcasm and this one extreme example aside, the cuts WILL affect many real people, in real ways, and their diminished incomes will result in reduced expenditures for everything from bread and milk to perhaps other more expensive things. Again, reductions then will cause reductions down the line, too.

Those well enough off not to feel the cuts, or people, perhaps like us, who have Social Security and/or fixed pensions, also may not feel much impact, but the overall impact WILL affect the economy, which was just now starting to recover.

Again, I think it's sad that so many people cannot envision effects of such cuts, even if seemingly small in the big picture, on others outside of themselves.

Vermonter

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Subject: Re: Good-bye everybody Date: 3/2/2013 11:55 AM
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Big Momma:

Does the term "a voice crying in the wilderness" ring a bell?

There are too many folks (on this board and elsewhere) who cannot seem to let go of their hatred of the president (sometimes for obvious reasons that I shall not state here), and who simply blindly follow the short term idea of "cutting" everything in sight, that they seem incapable of looking at the bigger picture. (Notice that our politicians have avoided cutting their OWN incomes! What a crock that is!)

Look at the European countries who have tried to climb out of their financial messes by simply "cutting"! Cutting would have helped, back when our economy was doing well, but not now, when we're trying to climb out of our financial mess.

Boehner DID apparently reach agreement of some kind with President Obama, but he dared not press it for fear he might lose his position as Speaker when the rabid "Tea Party" loonies came after him. Now, having been re-elected, perhaps he can stand taller and push forward.

All we can do now is hope that some in Congress (including our own Rep. Peter Welch) can manage to meet in the middle and work things out.

Hang in there.

Vermonter

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Subject: Re: Good-bye everybody Date: 3/2/2013 12:01 PM
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Again, I think it's sad that so many people cannot envision effects of such cuts, even if seemingly small in the big picture, on others outside of themselves.

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Vermonter

You can not even begin to imagine how sad it makes me that what you say might happen.

It is a level of insanity that Obama can not do better than this, and that there are people that find what he is doing acceptable.

There is a reason he gets no cooperation, he gives none and is a backstabber. On top of that he is hopelessly imcompetent

But you wanted him as President. There is pain coming, people EXACTLY like you, are ignoring the obvious need to do something beside raise taxes.

That is a moronic not even temporary bandaid.

No one wants to see suffering. Stop the silly acting sanctimonious, we all believe you are doing far more harm and none of us are stupid enough to believe the rhetoric Obama chose to use.

Have some pride, admit you know better and stop being a dupe for this cheap con man we elected.

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Subject: Re: Good-bye everybody Date: 3/2/2013 12:15 PM
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the cuts

There are no cuts Mr. Low Information Voter. None!

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Subject: Re: Good-bye everybody Date: 3/2/2013 12:16 PM
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There are too many folks (on this board and elsewhere) who cannot seem to let go of their hatred of the president

Yeah we saw that during Bush from people like you, low information voters.

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Subject: Re: Good-bye everybody Date: 3/2/2013 1:03 PM
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RetiredVermonter, you are the only sane voice in this board's cacophony...

I must've clicked on the HURL board by mistake.

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Subject: Re: Good-bye everybody Date: 3/2/2013 1:07 PM
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the cuts WILL affect many real people, in real ways, and their diminished incomes will result in reduced expenditures for everything from bread and milk to perhaps other more expensive things. Again, reductions then will cause reductions down the line, too.

Why didn't Owebama sit down with Republicans and work out the manner in which duplicative Government programs and expenses could be cut? Why didn't he do that? Why? Why?

Because he's no leader. He's a campaigner.

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Subject: Re: Good-bye everybody Date: 3/2/2013 1:09 PM
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There are too many folks (on this board and elsewhere) who cannot seem to let go of their hatred of the president

I don't hate Barack Owebama. I hate his incompetence. I absolutely abhor that someone of his apparent lack of leadership and incompetence was re-elected to a second term.

What I don't hate is what will happen to YOU, personally, when the fit hits the shan.

THAT will be amusing.

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Subject: Re: Good-bye everybody Date: 3/2/2013 5:01 PM
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rabid "Tea Party" loonies came after him



Let's see comrade. Tea Party folks want smaller government and for the government to spend within its means. You think that is rabid so I reckon that make me a really rabid person (no debt and live below my means).

Mike, a right wing loon and whacko by your definition.

"The math wins in the end."

P.S. This board is too active. I'm away for several days and I'm hundreds of posts behind. <g>

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Subject: Re: Good-bye everybody Date: 3/2/2013 6:30 PM
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Show as much concern for the people "losing their jobs" as the Left showed over working folks losing take-home pay via FICA INCREASES while Obama gave people tax cuts, who earn $399000 per year.

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Subject: Re: Good-bye everybody Date: 3/2/2013 6:33 PM
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Again, I think it's sad that so many people cannot envision effects of such cuts, even if seemingly small in the big picture, on others outside of themselves.

Vermonter
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How many Liberals on PA or anywhere else.................

*Were sympathetic about effects of higher FICA on people?

*Are against, or at least sympathetic to the effects of higher gas prices on people?

*Where are Liberal posts insisting that President Obama make things easier for the coal industry or at least, not make it harder? (Many people, BY CHOICE depend on that industry for a living)

*Where are Liberal posts decrying efforts by Liberal townships to keep out Wal-Mart....an outlet that helps middle class people stretch a buck?

Sorry, but Liberals talking about being concerned for people other than themselves is like Dick Cheney lecturing people on a healthy cardiovascular lifestyle.

JediG

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Subject: Re: Good-bye everybody Date: 3/2/2013 7:00 PM
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He's a campaigner.


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Ahh YES; the politically correct term for a Community Organizer elected to federal office [from Illinois no less]!

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Subject: Re: Good-bye everybody Date: 3/2/2013 7:07 PM
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Again, I think it's sad that so many people cannot envision effects of such cuts, even if seemingly small in the big picture, on others outside of themselves.

Vermonter


Vermonter,

You are one of the people that afflicted this country with this president. You elected a man who has repeated reneged on promises. He did so solely for political gain, even to the detriment of the country at large.

You selected a man intent on dividing this country.

You selected a man intent on ignoring the Constitution.

You selected the man who designed the sequester.

You selected the man who signed the sequester.

You selected the man who spent a weekend golfing rather than looking for a solution to the sequester.

At some point an honest person would reflect upon the results of their actions and take responsibility for them.

An ignorant person would blame the universe and curse it for his bad luck.

A dishonest person would blame the results of his actions upon other people.

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Subject: Re: Good-bye everybody Date: 3/2/2013 7:13 PM
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Again, I think it's sad that so many people cannot envision effects of such cuts, even if seemingly small in the big picture, on others outside of themselves.

You have no idea how much damage our national debt is doing and will do to our future, and that of our descendents. If you did, you wouldn't say this, unless you truly wanted America to die.

Your weeping over minor cuts that don't even really cut spending, but rather the growth in it, is nothing compared to the weeping that average Greeks do when they can't get a job to feed their children. That is where Obama is taking us, whether you choose to acknowledge it or not.

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Subject: Re: Good-bye everybody Date: 3/2/2013 7:25 PM
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I can't believe how much c**p is written on this board.

And I wish you would return to the place of faux sanctimony from which you came.

You and the rest of the trolls sicken us, because you don't give a rat's @$$ about people in the private sector. You whine about how bureaucrats might have to put off their doggy day care, while Moochelle and Barack have spent more on vacations than the last several Presidents combined. You don't care, because you were one of the sheeple that elected the Prince of Fools. You and the press will put up with any amount of feces that he feeds you, and you think that we could give a rat's @$$ about anything you say.

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Subject: Re: Good-bye everybody Date: 3/2/2013 7:26 PM
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You have no idea how much damage our national debt is doing and will do to our future, and that of our descendents. If you did, you wouldn't say this, unless you truly wanted America to die.

Someone like RV is not worth debating. The pain-free option left town long ago. We are at a magnitude 8 disaster if we cut spending now, but if we pile on more debt the pain scale magnitude will get higher. It is so simple and so obvious that you'd have to be either dishonest or mentally deficient not to see it.

Another reason to dismiss folks like RV is he blames both sides. Which party is trying to cut spending and which one won't even pass a budget? Again, he is either dishonest or lacking intellectually.

To folks like him, the Dems can do no wrong... ever.

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Subject: Re: Good-bye everybody Date: 3/2/2013 7:41 PM
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Again, he is either dishonest or lacking intellectually.

I think all liberals fit at least one of these, at this point. Obama is basically telling them, "We need to keep spending a trillion dollars a year more than we have, or things will get worse. And I know that there's waste in the Government, but I won't do anything about it, unless the Republicans give me more taxes, on top of the ones I just got."

Anyone who buys this tripe is an idiot. And yet these idiots think they need to come here to lecture us about how much damage these fake cuts are doing. Dumber than a bag of rocks.

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Subject: Re: Good-bye everybody Date: 3/2/2013 7:42 PM
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You are one of the people that afflicted this country with this president. You elected a man who has repeated reneged on promises. He did so solely for political gain, even to the detriment of the country at large.
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http://hotair.com/archives/2013/02/27/donna-brazile-wonders-...

During Obama’s term, between 2009 to 2012, premiums have climbed $2,370 for the average family with an employer-provided plan – a rate faster than the during the previous four years under President George W. Bush, according to Kaiser…

At a rally in Virginia in June 2008, Obama said: “In an Obama administration, we’ll lower premiums by up to $2,500 for a typical family per year.”…

“We won’t do all this twenty years from now, or ten years from now,” he said. “We’ll do it by the end of my first term as President of the United States.”…

Last year, I asked White House deputy chief of staff Nancy-Ann DeParle about that $2,500 in savings the president pledged. She insisted families will see that savings seven years after the president said it would be achieved — by 2019…

Administration officials say they never claimed health care costs would go down, only that they would grow at a slower rate than they would have without the Affordable Care Act.
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Why people enjoy being lied to and then help cover up the lies by lying about the lying is beyond me.

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Subject: Re: Good-bye everybody Date: 3/2/2013 7:45 PM
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I think all liberals fit at least one of these, at this point. Obama is basically telling them, "We need to keep spending a trillion dollars a year more than we have, or things will get worse. And I know that there's waste in the Government, but I won't do anything about it, unless the Republicans give me more taxes, on top of the ones I just got."

Anyone who buys this tripe is an idiot. And yet these idiots think they need to come here to lecture us about how much damage these fake cuts are doing. Dumber than a bag of rocks.
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Exactly, and that's what makes it so frustrating. You're either dealing with an evil person who really doesn't care about the truth, only "winning", or you're dealing with an arrogant moron who will defend the untruth not knowing he's an idiot.

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Anyone who buys this tripe is an idiot. And yet these idiots think they need to come here to lecture us about how much damage these fake cuts are doing. Dumber than a bag of rocks.

You're kinder than I, but then again if I state my true feelings the post will get pulled.

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Subject: Re: Good-bye everybody Date: 3/2/2013 7:48 PM
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Why people enjoy being lied to and then help cover up the lies by lying about the lying is beyond me

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Subject: Re: Good-bye everybody Date: 3/2/2013 8:28 PM
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Exactly, and that's what makes it so frustrating. You're either dealing with an evil person who really doesn't care about the truth, only "winning", or you're dealing with an arrogant moron who will defend the untruth not knowing he's an idiot.
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While I agree with Wolvie, and the feel the best action is to simply despise them and not concentrate on the finer points of their malevolence, but you seem to discount evil arrogant moron who knows he is an idiot and is proud of it.
Once you have spent your life getting trophies for finishing last, that becomes a real possibility.
It is hard to look and see an entire generation of folks who controlled education and removed every link to accomplishment being good as a benign contributor.

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Subject: Re: Good-bye everybody Date: 3/2/2013 10:54 PM
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Why people enjoy being lied to and then help cover up the lies by lying about the lying is beyond me.

I think the average LIV doesn't really truly unequivocally understand they're being lied to.

The Republican Party needs to air PSAs to inform the people in between "Modern Family" and "How I Met My Mother."

[video] Barack Owebama: We won't do all this 20 years from now, or 10 years from now. We'll do it by the end of my first term as President of the United States.

[video] Jake Tapper: Last year, I asked White House deputy chief of staff Nancy-Ann DeParle about that $2,500 in savings the president pledged. She insisted families will see that savings seven years after the president said it would be achieved — by 2019. Administration officials say they never claimed health care costs would go down, only that they would grow at a slower rate than they would have without the Affordable Care Act.

The above is a 30-second commercial, people! It can't cost that much! I'd contribute to it, so we don't see Mooochelle in office four year from now.

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Subject: Re: Good-bye everybody Date: 3/2/2013 11:00 PM
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Why didn't Owebama sit down with Republicans and work out the manner in which duplicative Government programs and expenses could be cut? Why didn't he do that? Why? Why?

Oh but he did, he did, he did. This was the so-called Grand Bargain Obama offered John Boehner back 2011. Obama offered $3 trillion in spending cuts, including cuts to Medicare, Social Security, and discretionary spending over the next ten years in exchange for $1 trillion in tax increases.

http://dyn.politico.com/printstory.cfm?uuid=41FAF91F-8556-40...

Ryan Lizza wrote an interesting article about how Eric Cantor scotched the deal:

Cantor told me that it was a “fair assessment” that he talked Boehner out of accepting Obama’s deal. He said he told Boehner that it would be better, instead, to take the issues of taxes and spending to the voters and “have it out” with the Democrats in the election. Why give Obama an enormous political victory, and potentially help him win reëlection, when they might be able to negotiate a more favorable deal with a new Republican President? Boehner told Obama there was no deal.

http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2013/03/04/130304fa_fact_...

So they took it to the voters and the Republicans lost seats in the House, Senate as well as the presidency, I'll go on record the Republicans will never get anything remotely close to the deal they rejected in 2011. Obama is now offering about $1 trillion in spending cuts in exchange for about $500 in new revenues.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/issues/sequester/the-presidents-pl...

The Republicans aren't interested in that deal either. The reality is Republicans don't care about spending cuts. They only care about not increasing taxes. Fair enough, but let's call it like it is.

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Subject: Re: Good-bye everybody Date: 3/3/2013 12:07 AM
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rabid "Tea Party" loonies came after him

Let's see comrade. Tea Party folks want smaller government and for the government to spend within its means.


You mean like was requested by that rabid "Tea Party" loon, Senator Barack Obama?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SLgdhvoyik

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Subject: Re: Good-bye everybody Date: 3/3/2013 2:00 AM
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Oh but he did, he did, he did. This was the so-called Grand Bargain Obama offered John Boehner back 2011. Obama offered $3 trillion in spending cuts, including cuts to Medicare, Social Security, and discretionary spending over the next ten years in exchange for $1 trillion in tax increases.

Hahahahahaha! You mean the spending cuts that never come? Boehner didn't fall for that one...again.

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Why didn't Owebama sit down with Republicans and work out the manner in which duplicative Government programs and expenses could be cut? Why didn't he do that? Why? Why?

Oh but he did, he did, he did. This was the so-called Grand Bargain Obama offered John Boehner back 2011. Obama offered $3 trillion in spending cuts, including cuts to Medicare, Social Security, and discretionary spending over the next ten years in exchange for $1 trillion in tax increases.
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OH..... you mean the deal that Obama had the republicans agree to, and then pulled the rug out from under them? WHen he demanded significantly more revenue --

http://swampland.time.com/2011/07/23/the-inside-story-of-oba...

The one that he immediately started stabbing them in the back after double crossing them about?

The only problem with lying about this stuff as you do, by ignoring what happened next, is that it means you are dishonest.

Obama is just a terrible President, but it is far worse than that he is a punk and that is a punk in thw White House, that's the bigger shame.

I understand why yo lie about things, really I do. But why not take the easier road and admit he is a snake.

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Why didn't Owebama sit down with Republicans and work out the manner in which duplicative Government programs and expenses could be cut? Why didn't he do that? Why? Why?

Oh but he did, he did, he did. This was the so-called Grand Bargain Obama offered John Boehner back 2011. Obama offered $3 trillion in spending cuts, including cuts to Medicare, Social Security, and discretionary spending over the next ten years in exchange for $1 trillion in tax increases.

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BTW, can't you jsut make up some different stuff?

I mean the same lies day after day. Sure I know you are a Dem and I know the big lie works, that is pretty obvious. But can't you just chant it to folks who will believe it?

Obama has changed the rules at the end more than once. The unreasonable that permeate the entire Democratic community are at fault or whoever, who cares.

Then he lies to you that the rules change by the other side, when it is documented he changed the rules. Then clowns like you lie, even to claiming it is the other side who changed the rules.

Then you trot out the Tea Party a group too small to really do much, and ignore large swaths of morons like Waters et al.

STOP IT

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Then clowns like you lie, even to claiming it is the other side who changed the rules.

It's what they do. The muddy up the argument so much with lies that it takes forever to set the record straight. In the meantime, they've told 56 other lies.

A dog chases a cat up a tree - Republicans fault

Crabgrass in the side yard - Republicans fault

Dem Senator caught doing underage hookers - Republicans fault for witch hunting the dude

It is truly a sad commentary on our society that folks who lie so often and so easily are still adored by the masses. Then we wonder why our gov't is so corrupt and self-serving.

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It is truly a sad commentary on our society that folks who lie so often and so easily are still adored by the masses. Then we wonder why our gov't is so corrupt and self-serving.

They lie because they can. The media lets them get away with it, and the LIVs are too stupid to figure it out for themselves, so if you're a Democrat, why would you NOT think lying is an acceptable course of action? Last November, 51% still thought it was Bush's fault; you can't get much dumber than that.

When you demonstrably and unequivocally lie about Benghazi for months, and the SOS then comes out and says, "What difference, at this point, does it make?" and the press thinks she's great for doing so, that tells you all you need to know about how gullible and/or corrupt the left is. And the trolls come here to lecture us, not knowing how ridiculously stupid they look.

As an example litmus test, anyone on the left who won't admit that the Administration lied about Benghazi is not worth talking to. They're either below the moron level or they are fundamentally dishonest. Either way, you can't help them, and you're wasting your time if you try.

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As an example litmus test, anyone on the left who won't admit that the Administration lied about Benghazi is not worth talking to. They're either below the moron level or they are fundamentally dishonest. Either way, you can't help them, and you're wasting your time if you try.
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Benghazi was extremely telling. The absolute and obvious nature of the lies was pretty stunning.

This was also a display of moral turpitude that envelopes anyone capable of being a Democrat today.

There were multiple layers here, and they ALL bought in at every level

-The was no lie
-although there was no lie, if there we a lie no one can tell where it came from as each department pointed fingers at the other -- while at the top of each department was an Obama direct report
-there was no reason to lie
-Romney is lying
-it is too late to worry about the lies, although there were no lies
-there was no lie, but everyone lies

this was as disgusting a display as is possible. To not be able to jump off, even for this one issue is beyond obscene. This was the final bridge between caring about America at all, and worship of a corrupt ideology

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If you can open up your eyes a bit, you can appreciate how losses in spending in civilian OR military areas will cause cutbacks throughout the country, which means cutbacks in expenditures for subcontractors in all kinds of areas.

If you can open up your eyes a bit you can appreciate how spending trillions of dollars we don't have in civilian OR military areas will cause ever spiraling debt which will hurt our economy far more in the coming decades than a 2.3% cut now will.

An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. Those of us who are younger or have young kids realize that fully.

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If you can open up your eyes a bit, you can appreciate how losses in spending in civilian OR military areas will cause cutbacks throughout the country, which means cutbacks in expenditures for subcontractors in all kinds of areas.
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If you can open another part of your body a little and let your eyes out, you can see how cutting will always have the same problem, ALWAYS

IF you manage to get your head out, and a little fresh air allows for thoughts to begin, perhaps you can realize that we are in a bad place because we have too many 'gains' through spending in civilian or military areas causing gains throughout the country by expenditures and hiring subcontractors.

The same exact moron like logic here as in the minimum wage being 100 dollars an hour will spur a recovery through spending.

It is simply to stunningly stupid to address reasonably. We are spending too much, that is impacting growth because it is taking too much out of the economy and causing too many variables on what is coming. We need growth, taking away the factors that inhibit growth even with the very short term loss of a few jobs is good policy and the only sane path.

This stupidity that you repeat because Dems are willing to say the dumbest things to you and you are dumb enough to listen and repeat is still stupid no matter how often the same dumb stuff is said,.

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