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Greetings, Tedferg, ans welcome.

<<It seems that 8% is a good number to expect over the long haul from investing in the market. Seems to be a real general 'safe' number that brokers will quote. 21% is hard to imagine, but in a few recent years the S&P index funds would have doen this - so it depends on what time frame these people are talking about>>

As JeanDavid points out, the historical market return since 1926 has been 10.71%. The 8% you see bandied about so often is the "conservative" ROR based on a mix of stocks and bonds. That's a different can of worms entirely.

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