Here's the official Mainstream Media's Hispanic Skin Color Advisory System
for slanted race-baiting news coverage.

http://dotcomjoe.com/0428c1

The Sanford P.D. report described Zimmerman as a "a white male." Get over it. It's not some kind of media conspiracy.

http://www.propublica.org/documents/item/327370-trayvon-mart...

Get over it. It's not some kind of racist media conspiracy.

Your link, on the other hand...

http://thepeoplescube.com/peoples-blog/mitt-and-marco-the-wa...

Great source of information. </sarc>

Get over it. It's not some kind of racist media conspiracy.

Would this story have escalated to its present degree of importance if Zimmerman had been described as a "Hispanic male" from the very beginning?

Get over it. It's not some kind of racist media conspiracy.
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Would this story have escalated to its present degree of importance if Zimmerman had been described as a "Hispanic male" from the very beginning?

Probably not. A big part of the story's significance or appeal is its racial or civil rights aspect: the "white vigilante stalks and murders black kid and doesn't even get arrested" thing. If Zimmerman had shot a 17-year-old white girl it might have been a story, but for an entirely different reason and not of national interest or import.

My point is the police initially described Zimmerman as a "white male" so it's silly to blame the media for calling him exactly that. When it later came out that he was part Hispanic, calling him a "white Hispanic" made perfect sense. It's a U.S. census category, fer crying out loud. And what'd you expect people to do, say "oh, he's not a 100% white bread cracker, so nevermind, it's okay for half-Hispanic vigilantes to stalk and shoot black teenagers?"

It may turn out that Martin turned on Zimmerman and was beating the crap out of him when Zimmerman shot him, which would certainly change the original story, but if you think about it honestly, not all that much.

Still, if I pocket my 9mm and roam my neighborhood tonight, confront someone, get in a fight and then get my a$$ kicked, I don't think it's reasonable to think that it's okay to shoot them. And if I did, it'd be screwy if the police simply took my word for it all and let me go.

It may turn out that Martin turned on Zimmerman and was beating the crap out of him when Zimmerman shot him, which would certainly change the original story,

Uhh, no... that *IS* the original story. The race-baiting was dreamed up by the media *AFTER* the fact, via maliciously edited 911 recorded evidence.

Uhh, no... that *IS* the original story. The race-baiting was dreamed up by the media *AFTER* the fact, via maliciously edited 911 recorded evidence.

Uhh, no. That's Zimmerman's original story.

And you are misusing the term "race baiting." Race baiting is the use of racially derisive language to incite or intimidate people of a certain racial group. Calling a black person a "coon" to provoke them would be an example of race baiting. So would calling a white person a "cracker." Suggesting or implying that Zimmerman's actions were motivated by racism isn't race-baiting. And the media didn't dream that up. That the underlying complaint of Martin's parents and their supporters, along with the allegation that the Sanford police didn't properly investigate the case because Trayvon was black.

Finally, there's no evidence that the misleading editing of the 911 tape by a Today Show producer, i.e. one TV news network, was malicious, much less part of some kind of grand left-wing media conspiracy.

"Uhh, no. That's Zimmerman's original story. "

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Surely, you are not suggesting a Democrat could not be trusted?

Howie52

"Uhh, no. That's Zimmerman's original story. "

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I do not know which of them is doing the Captain Insaneo impersonation, but I gotta admit the original story not being the one that comes from the only person who was actually there is pretty good even for one of our esteemed guests.

Facts have a liberal spin-- seriously I love these guys, well love may be the wrong word, it is more like I am amused, amazed and nauseated actually

Get over it. It's not some kind of racist media conspiracy.

Seriously??

Have you been following the media coverage of the case??

The left-wing mainstream media has effectively convicted Zimmerman without a trial and seems to be encouraging a lynching.

MSNBC has been criminal in its coverage. Multiple commentators have assumed Zimmerman guilty of murder - Lawrence O'Donnell even described the incident as an "execution."

The media has inflamed the case by using race and critical to their racist agenda is the portrayal of both participants in racial terms.

To add insult to injury, the media has even distorted the case by concluding that "stand your ground" laws are relevant when simple self defense may be applicable.

I don't know whether Zimmerman is quilty of anything or not. It's entirely possible that he shot Martin in self defense. Evidence made public thus far seems to support this possibility. It's not even clear whether there is appropriate evidence to warrant charging Zimmerman with anything - let alone second degree murder. It will be interesting to see if the full evidence supports the DA's decision to charge Zimmerman and whether racist public hysteria pressured the DA into an unjust decision.

This is beginning to be reminiscent of the Duke Lacrosse case.


dave

"Get over it. It's not some kind of racist media conspiracy.

Seriously??

Have you been following the media coverage of the case??"

Yes, our liberal racist residents have been following it. Even though the term "white hispanic" has never been used, they will twist events to put the liberal media in the best possible light because they can't believe the machines that feed their pea brains could be wrong.

Notice when this first happened, they had nothing. Since the opening shots have been fired and time has gone by, they have had time to make up excuses and rationalizations.

The Left is racist and craves a race war because they think it increases their base and gets them fired up. Nothing else is going to push them to the polls but make them think 'evil racist conservative whites' are out to get them and you can bet they will vote.

The Left has racism, scaring your grandmother and 'doing it for the children'. Other than that they are intellectually and morally bankrupt. They have no ideas. They are the part of racism, fear and indimidation. Don't listen to the trolls bleating. They are white noise in a maelstrom of hate of their own creation.

Cheers,

Vile
NEVER SAY DIE!!!

Seriously??

Have you been following the media coverage of the case??

Of course he has. He's just following their playbook - it's going bad for them (the stirring up of racial tensions for political gain), so they have to deny every having any involvement.

It's typical race baiting liberal fare and shouldn't be surprising. Remember: Politics to them is the Thunderdome.

Anyone want to remember what the rules are for the Thunderdome? That's right. There aren't any rules. That means lying and denying your side had anything to do with something are fair game. It's what the left does.

"This is beginning to be reminiscent of the Duke Lacrosse case.


dave "

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No - not even close.
In this case there is a dead black man and a grieving black family.

There is more sadness to go around - nothing that can be
improved by the media coverage other than having the comfort of a
full and complete investigation.
Whether Mr Zimmerman is found guilty or not guilty, the family still
is in pain.
You can only pray for them to find some peace.
Much as you can only pray for Mr Zimmerman.

Howie52
Fear does things to people - regardless of color or beliefs

Some ignorant troll who never admits his mistakes: Even though the term "white hispanic" has never been used...

The term has long been a U.S. Census demographic category.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Hispanic_and_Latino_Ameri...

In the 2010 United States Census, 50.5 million Americans (16.3% of the total population) listed themselves as ethnically Hispanic or Latino. Of those, 53.0% (26.7 million) self-identified as racially white.

Like I said, the police report described Zimmerman as white, so the media called him white. It was later discovered that his mother is from Latin America, so they added Hispanic. Big whoop. Some people will see a conspiracy in anything. It's a sickness.

Of course he has. He's just following their playbook...

Us? Them?

Just because you're a binary thinker doesn't mean everyone else is.

..nothing that can be
improved by the media coverage other than having the comfort of a
full and complete investigation.

A.k.a. a lynching around here.

The depravity is depressing.

No - not even close.
In this case there is a dead black man and a grieving black family.
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Emotional carping to change the subject. Typical

It is just like the Duke situation a media lies about the original situation and creates a narrative that the left buys whole hog and goes on the march. Tied to a bunch of fabricated lies to build an emotional response the left can not back off. People who may or may not be guilty are harrassed and harangued because of a false dialogue for political gain.

BS it is nothing like it. It is race baiting and it is an ugly trait of the left to do this type of garbage.

If you like doing this just accept it, if not stop doing, either way don't lie about it.

No - not even close.

Yes, because two cases are not completely identical, they cannot be reminiscent of each other. Just because the left wing media has used racism to try and convict people without a trial in both cases, that does not make them reminiscent of each other.

Sheeeeeeeesh.


dave

"Emotional carping to change the subject."

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A man was shot.
There may be a good reason why.
There may not.
Families need to have some form of closure - and an investigation
can help in that respect.
Now you can argue about media coverage and the fairness of it -
the dishonesty of it - and how the real reason behind it is to
shore-up the electoral base of the sitting President because the
President's performance economically has been dismal - for all
races.
The media tells a story they want to tell. They certainly do not emphasize that Mr. Zimmerman was a Democrat.
The justice aspect is now proceeding. From everything I read, I
suspect Mr. Zimmerman will not be convicted. But trials go
in different ways and evidence tends to drive results.

Howie52

No - not even close.
In this case there is a dead black man and a grieving black family.
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Yep and the left jumped in and made a false scenario adding to their pain because they wanted to create a scenario they could play for their benefit.

Yes this was a more egregious display of crass callousness by the left I agree, but the cases were still very similar in what they were meant to accomplish.

The left did not care in the least whether it was a bunch of rich white boys whose life they were trying to destroy without the evidence because of their prejudices or adding pain to some grieving black family.

Do you smell the stink of your fellow travelers and what they do as yu try so valiantly to say others simply do not care because they acknowledge reality and point out what your friends are into?

Too many back down at the slimy tactics the left uses time after time, I sure hope we are near the end of folks taking this type of argument at face value and realize the slime it covers/.

"The media tells a story they want to tell. They certainly do not
emphasize that Mr. Zimmerman was a Democrat."

I can just see the outcry if he were a registered Republican: it would
be considered by the Main... I mean Lame Stream uh... I mean Pravda to
be conclusive evidence of GZ's guilt.

~aj

The justice aspect is now proceeding.

Yep. And had it not been for the parents and their supporters, a.k.a. the lynch mob, and the nasty left-wing media, that probably wouldn't have happened.

And you are misusing the term "race baiting."
<SNIP>
Race baiting is the use of racially derisive language to incite or intimidate people of a certain racial group

You *JUST* defined exactly what the liberal media has been doing, exactly as I called it.

Thanks for confirming (despite your attempt to deny.)

Hi, Dave.

I'm a liberal democrat.

The news media love to whip up a storm, don't they?

Many of us on the left believe pretty much as you do. We just saw that an unarmed boy was shot to death and that there seemed to be no real investigation. You're exactly right--it's entirely possible that Zimmerman shot Martin in self defense. But that's the issue--we don't know exactly what happened.

It's was to the DA to determine whether there is appropriate evidence to charge him and up to the pretrial judge whether there is enough evidence to warrant a trial. Now it will be up to a jury to hear the evidence. Everyone has their part to play, and I join you in wishing for an end to the hysteria and a jury that will that will determine the facts and reach a sane, just decision.

Karen

I'm a liberal democrat.

You can't be, You're too polite. You need to call us racists, homophobes, Nazis, or something equally as pleasant, then I'll beleive you.

No arrogance. No snarky insults.

Nope, not buying it.

Many of us on the left believe pretty much as you do. We just saw that an unarmed boy was shot to death and that there seemed to be no real investigation. You're exactly right--it's entirely possible that Zimmerman shot Martin in self defense. But that's the issue--we don't know exactly what happened.
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Can you please link to some stuff on which you on the left based your belief that there was no investigation.

I seem to recall a rush to judgement pretty significant before there could be any real investigation. I also recall and still witness a pretty damning rush to judgement based on incomplete data.

You are trying IMO to redefine reality. WHich being you are a liberal I certainly understand. The behavior of liberals usually looks much better when you change the reality of what actually happened.

Thank you. :)

Can you please link to some stuff on which you on the left based your belief that there was no investigation.

I wish I could--there's so much out there that I'm just relying on memory.

I've read that one of the police officers wanted to file charges against Zimmerman, but was told no. I've read that the DA's office always refuses to take stand-your-ground cases with no witnesses. I've read that some witnesses say the police wouldn't talk to them.

Any of this could be true or false. I have absolutely no way of knowing. I am quite certain that some of what we read is true and some is false, but which is which? Dave was right about media hysteria. And Al Sharpton and his ilk do not improve the situation in any way whatsoever.

I would like justice to be seen to be done. I would like to know what is true and what is not. A young man who was not committing a crime was shot to death by a man who was trying to protect his neighborhood--that's all I'm sure of.

I know I'm with Dave on this.

Karen

karenlj: I would like justice to be seen to be done. I would like to know what is true and what is not. A young man who was not committing a crime was shot to death by a man who was trying to protect his neighborhood--that's all I'm sure of.

We're not even sure of that, are we? We don't have all the information, just some that has been provided with varying degrees of accuracy. Some prominent people have said that Zimmerman hunted Martin like a dog. Can you be sure that this isn't true? It doesn't seem to be from the information that I know of, but I don't have all the information, maybe there is something that contradicts what we think we know.

Karen,
I'm a liberal democrat.

Wolfie,
You can't be, You're too polite. You need to call us racists, homophobes, Nazis, or something equally as pleasant, then I'll beleive you.
No arrogance. No snarky insults.
Nope, not buying it.

*ACTUALLY*... what you are not convinced of is that she would be a *PROGRESSIVE*... not a "liberal democrat."

Remember, go back to the origins of the words...
Liberal = anti-statism, pro-individual

A 'liberal democrat' is a *GOOD THING* democrat!!!

Hi Karen,

A young man who was not committing a crime was shot to death by a man who was trying to protect his neighborhood--that's all I'm sure of.

Be careful about being "so sure" about this.

Ambush assault *IS* a crime.... even in "stand your ground" states.

The evidence publically available so far (the non edited, whole evidence) suggests that Zimmerman was in retreat and/or non-pursuit when he was criminally assaulted (assumedly by Martin... since there is really no other party involved.)

NOT *INARGUABLY PROVEN* beyond a shadow of doubt... (arguments can be made about or against anything... to wit some really looonies who skulk these parts,) but its pretty solid appearing, to date.

Dave
(Glad to see you preferring restraing against judgment, in principle, though! ;~)

karenlj: I would like justice to be seen to be done. I would like to know what is true and what is not. A young man who was not committing a crime was shot to death by a man who was trying to protect his neighborhood--that's all I'm sure of.

We're not even sure of that, are we? We don't have all the information, just some that has been provided with varying degrees of accuracy. Some prominent people have said that Zimmerman hunted Martin like a dog. Can you be sure that this isn't true? It doesn't seem to be from the information that I know of, but I don't have all the information, maybe there is something that contradicts what we think we know.

What we DO know is that from the very beginning, when ALL publicly available evidence that the media chose to report on indicated Zimmerman was defending himself, the media chose to present that evidence in a way that encouraged the conclusion that Zimmerman had committed murder... in some cases falsifying the evidence in order to support that view.

This included showing five-year-old pictures of the two individuals involved... one of them a seventeen-year-old boy.

warrl: What we DO know is that from the very beginning, when ALL publicly available evidence that the media chose to report on indicated Zimmerman was defending himself, the media chose to present that evidence in a way that encouraged the conclusion that Zimmerman had committed murder... in some cases falsifying the evidence in order to support that view.

Yes, the media and leftist race-baiting politicians acted irresponsibly and unethically to promote their preferred story line. But even though their narrative fell apart when some details came out, we really can't know a lot about what happened.

So, we're all in agreement: the evidence suggests different things and different people are saying different things and we can't be sure what's true.

And we all hope the truth will come out.


Karen

Yes, the media and leftist race-baiting politicians acted irresponsibly and unethically to promote their preferred story line. But even though their narrative fell apart when some details came out, we really can't know a lot about what happened.
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We can not know about what happened between Zimmerman and Martin indeed.

We do KNOW what happened from a large segment of liberal America. And Sorry but Karen included when she ignores the presented information that Zimmerman was assaulted and says no crime was committed by Trayvon.

We do know many have accepted a dialogue proven at best faulty even if eventually accurate and refuse to budge from their position.

The tragedy that happened between Trayvon and Zimmerman is not and has not been the issue for a while. That is a shame but should also be acknowledged as something we KNOW.