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Author: AdvocatusDiaboli Big funky green star, 20000 posts Old School Fool Add to my Favorite Fools Ignore this person (you won't see their posts anymore) Number: of 1932546  
Subject: How Foxnews is destroying the GOP Date: 11/7/2012 5:59 AM
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Now almost everyone (even most Republicans) realize that Foxnews is a right-wing propaganda organ, whose agenda mostly (but not nearly completely) aligns with that of the GOP.

Among other things, Fox fulfills the following functions:

1. It occupies the attention of its viewers and keeps them from accessing other news sources where they might hear about things they shouldn't
2. It turns non-issues into news (Acorn, Benghazi)
3. It presents an alternate viewpoint on ANY fact that is inconvenient to the GOP


The problem is, as I have remarked in the past, that while no. 3 is incredibly valuable in the short term, it has some very pernicious side effects.
In the short term, it means that Fox viewers will never be forced to conclude that the GOP has made a mistake (unless Roger Ailes wants them to).
Whenever the GOP screws up, Fox is there to reassure people. The financial meltdown? That was the GSEs, the CRA, CERTAINLY NOT deregulation, insane Wall Street greed and lack of oversight.
The Iraq disaster? It's really a success! WMD? Found! And Saddam was responsible for 9/11 as well.
People don't want to hear that their side screwed up, and with Fox, they don't have to.
This is tremendously useful as it helps to retain voters that might otherwise be inclined to vote for the other party or just stay home.

It has a downside, however. It renders the party incapable of learning anything from its mistakes. If you're within the Fox reality sphere, and the vast majority of hard-core GOP supporters and politicians today seem to be, then you will never have to learn anything.

The normal process with which humans deal with reality by trial and error has been short-circuited.

Today the GOP lost for a variety of reasons. The demographic trends are not in favor of a party that goes for the vote of angry white men, the GOP crusade against reproductive rights is alienating women and the young, the constant torrent of BS from the Romney campaign got fact-checked and, of course, people aren't actually in favor of phasing out Medicare for an inadequately funded private alternative. There are more issues on which the GOP is at odds with the majority opinions.

So what does Fox have to say about this?

Five ways the mainstream media tipped the scales in favor of Obama

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/11/07/five-ways-mainstre...


You see, there's nothing actually wrong with conservative policy, there never is. Well there's certainly never a case where the liberals have got more right then the conservatives.
So here's your laundry list of reasons why the GOP really lost. According to Fox.

Fox is already handing out the bromides to make sure no one in the GOP has to learn anything from this disaster.
Well, good luck with that.
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Subject: Re: How Foxnews is destroying the GOP Date: 11/7/2012 6:04 AM
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I disagree. Fox News pretty much is a tool of the Democrats, right along with the other main stream media outlets.:) It just pulls the strings of one segment, while the Soros arm pulls the strings of the other.

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Author: Stonewashed Big gold star, 5000 posts Add to my Favorite Fools Ignore this person (you won't see their posts anymore) Number: 1833513 of 1932546
Subject: Re: How Foxnews is destroying the GOP Date: 11/7/2012 6:10 AM
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The demographic trends are not in favor of a party that goes for the vote of angry white men, the GOP crusade against reproductive rights is alienating women and the young, the constant torrent of BS from the Romney campaign got fact-checked and, of course, people aren't actually in favor of phasing out Medicare for an inadequately funded private alternative. There are more issues on which the GOP is at odds with the majority opinions.

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Oh, please. Playing the "promise them anything" and still do what a few plutocrats want is just a better shell game.

When those who have pretty much admitted that all they hope is that the economy doesn't implode while Obama is still in office while they drain the US Treasury for their pet projects, write tax laws that shelter the really rich's money through trusts and NGOs to further their agenda, I'll believe the political class gives a hoot about "what the people want".

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Subject: Re: How Foxnews is destroying the GOP Date: 11/7/2012 6:24 AM
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Wow you must live in bizarro world.

Obama did not deserve another term. He did not earn another term.

America selected 4 more years of gridlock, spending, debt, divisiveness.

Everything Obama criticized about Bush, he has actually been worse at.

Fox News reports the news-in a bipartison fashion. It does not bury important stories just to help Dems, as most broadcast and print outlets do.

That is why Fox is far more trusted than CNN MSNBC, etc.

But don't let me or anyone interrupt your lefty wet dream.

VQ

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Author: AdvocatusDiaboli Big funky green star, 20000 posts Old School Fool Add to my Favorite Fools Ignore this person (you won't see their posts anymore) Number: 1833516 of 1932546
Subject: Re: How Foxnews is destroying the GOP Date: 11/7/2012 6:29 AM
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Everything Obama criticized about Bush, he has actually been worse at.


Obama has started a bunch of ill-conceived wars? Destroyed America's international standing through stupidity and arrogance? Pointlessly damaged America's credit through unneeded tax cut for the rich? Staffed Federal agencies with incompetent and corrupt cronies?

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Subject: Re: How Foxnews is destroying the GOP Date: 11/7/2012 6:49 AM
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Wow you must live in bizarro world.

Obama did not deserve another term. He did not earn another term.

America selected 4 more years of gridlock, spending, debt, divisiveness.

Everything Obama criticized about Bush, he has actually been worse at.



Obama had to spend the first four years cleaning up after a frackwad frat boy and his team of NeoCons blew the country off the tracks and over a cliff.

And if you want to criticize anyone about divisiveness, look no farther than the dial on Republicans' tvs glued to Fox or the dial on Republicans' radios glued to Rush. This divisiveness you speak of was invented by Lee Atwater, Roger Ailes, Rush Limbaugh, Karl Rove et al.

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Subject: Re: How Foxnews is destroying the GOP Date: 11/7/2012 6:49 AM
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That is why Fox is far more trusted than CNN MSNBC, etc.

But don't let me or anyone interrupt your lefty wet dream.

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Oh please

http://www.cbsnews.com/2100-250_162-1600694.html

I don't care who Murdoch supports, and in fact, believe Hillary would have been a better president than Obama, but give up your delusion that Murdoch doesn't pull your strings.

When the GOP in NY supports a candidate who is a self confessed hedonist as opposed to a Korean, it pretty much shows they think their constiuents are pretty stupid.

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Subject: Re: How Foxnews is destroying the GOP Date: 11/7/2012 6:50 AM
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Obama has started a bunch of ill-conceived wars? Destroyed America's international standing through stupidity and arrogance? Pointlessly damaged America's credit through unneeded tax cut for the rich? Staffed Federal agencies with incompetent and corrupt cronies?
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Yes, no (they love us paying for their agendas), yes, and yes.

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Subject: Re: How Foxnews is destroying the GOP Date: 11/7/2012 7:50 AM
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FWIW I did not support Romney and don't believe he would have been a good President, but the answers to your questions may not be the answers you're expecting:

Obama has started a bunch of ill-conceived wars?

Wars no, but he has increased the use of the military in many parts of the world. Even if we set aside his profligate use of drones he has still significantly increased the US presence on the continent of Africa and expanded US military influence in other nations. He also supported the surge in Afghanistan.

Destroyed America's international standing through stupidity and arrogance?

While England still supports the US, most other countries, including most of western Europe are not happy about the increased use of drones and the expansion of the US military in other parts of the world. In Islamic countries US standing is lower than it was during the Bush years and Islamic radicals actually have MORE support due to the increased use of drones in countries not at war with the US.

Pointlessly damaged America's credit through unneeded tax cut for the rich?

I'm not sure there has been any change in Americas credit-worthiness but if it HAS changed is has gotten worse. You can blame that on Republicans or Democrats or both but Obama was in the White House when Americas credit rating was downgraded.

Staffed Federal agencies with incompetent and corrupt cronies?

That's a definite YES! How many Wall Streeters work in the Obama administration? How many lobbyists? How has Wall Street faired during Obamas first term?

Romney wasn't the answer but neither is Obama.

Calabogie

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Subject: Re: How Foxnews is destroying the GOP Date: 11/7/2012 9:01 AM
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They archive their reporting at Fox, they are the closest to 50/50 reporting than any other news source.

Regardless of your opinion, it makes no sense to say this about Fox when ABC, CBS, NBC are 10 times more bias toward liberals.

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Subject: Re: How Foxnews is destroying the GOP Date: 11/7/2012 9:12 AM
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They archive their reporting at Fox, they are the closest to 50/50 reporting than any other news source.

Regardless of your opinion, it makes no sense to say this about Fox when ABC, CBS, NBC are 10 times more bias toward liberals.

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The op really really does not have a clue about the American people and how they think. He gives himself way too much credit and merely follows the lead of the PA left with his bias droppings.

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Subject: Re: How Foxnews is destroying the GOP Date: 11/7/2012 10:57 AM
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"Fox News reports the news-in a bipartison fashion."

OMG. That's funny...! Oh wait - you were serious?

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Subject: Re: How Foxnews is destroying the GOP Date: 11/7/2012 11:55 AM
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Multiple studies and surveys have shown that FOX viewers are actually less informed than those who watch NO NEWS AT ALL. This has been looked at several times, and it always comes up the same.

http://www.alternet.org/story/149193/study_confirms_that_fox...

(follow links in that article to find more studies and surveys done previously)

Plus this more recent one: http://publicmind.fdu.edu/2011/knowless/

Conclusion: if you want to have a clue, turn off FOX.

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Subject: Re: How Foxnews is destroying the GOP Date: 11/7/2012 12:41 PM
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Now almost everyone (even most Republicans) realize that Foxnews is a right-wing propaganda organ, whose agenda mostly (but not nearly completely) aligns with that of the GOP.



I still think it might go the other direction--

GOP is the political arm of Fox

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Subject: Re: How Foxnews is destroying the GOP Date: 11/7/2012 1:30 PM
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Skippy says

They archive their reporting at Fox, they are the closest to 50/50 reporting than any other news source.

Regardless of your opinion, it makes no sense to say this about Fox when ABC, CBS, NBC are 10 times more bias toward liberals.


I have no response to this except to wonder why rightwingers can't spell the word "biased."

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Subject: Re: How Foxnews is destroying the GOP Date: 11/7/2012 1:58 PM
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Advocatus -- Great OP. You nailed it.

The fundamental problem with the modern GOP is they simply aren't part of the reality based community. So, as you say, they have no way to learn and change the way that Democrats did during their time in the wilderness.

Intellectually, the conservative base today resides in an alternative universe where a cautious, centrist Democratic President is really a radical socialist, or maybe he's a fascist, or actually somehow both at once; where the entire community of scientists studying global warming are frauds; where the entirety of modern biology and genetics is also composed frauds, since it would have to so be for evolution to be untrue; where tax cuts are always good, and always pay for themselves; where government can never do anything better than the private sector; where the only reason a candidate ever loses an election is that he or she was not properly conservative enough, or maybe the liberal media can sometimes trick people into not voting for someone who is.

I could go on like this all day. But the larger point is, what mechanisms have made this possible, and you're right on that Fox News -- together with the rest of conservative media -- is what has created this monster.

The question now is, how can Republican Leaders uncreate this monster?

Your post tells us they have NO WAY uncreate it without the active cooperation of the conservative media. Good luck with that. Those guys--Limbaugh, Hannity, Rove, Palin, Gingrich--they are ALL, at the end of the day, cynical grifters who know which side their bread is butter on.

And it's not on the side of informing people about the nature of reality.

Gordon66

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Subject: Re: How Foxnews is destroying the GOP Date: 11/7/2012 10:14 PM
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AdvocatusDiaboli wrote: Now almost everyone (even most Republicans) realize that Foxnews is a right-wing propaganda organ, whose agenda mostly (but not nearly completely) aligns with that of the GOP.

Now almost everyone (especially Republicans) realize that MSNBC is a left-wing propaganda organ, whose agenda aligns with that of the Democratic Party.

There...fixed that for ya.

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Subject: Re: How Foxnews is destroying the GOP Date: 11/7/2012 10:30 PM
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Designing your product for a previously underserved niche market, in Fox News's case, angry, white, conservative males, can work brilliantly.

Problem is that to succeed in politics, you need to address a mass market, a majority or, at least, a large plurality.

For a time, Fox News served the needs of the Republican Party reasonably well by constantly tearing down Clinton or propping up Bush. But increasingly, the tail is wagging the dog. Remember when Romney complained about Fox's fairness when it was driving the "anybody but Mitt" bandwagon? The root of Romney's defeat lies there.

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