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Subject: I am moving to Dubai Date: 7/18/2013 8:08 PM
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http://news.msn.com/world/dubai-diet-slim-down-get-paid-in-g...

Shedding weight is as good as gold under an unusual slim-down initiative in Dubai over growing concerns about rising obesity levels in the wealthy Gulf city-state.

Municipal officials are offering a gram of gold — worth about $45 at current prices — for each kilogram of weight lost in a 30-day challenge. The minimum drop is two kilograms, or 4.4 pounds, to cash in.


I wonder if this would be sufficient motivation for most Americans to lose weight? I'm guessing not...
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Subject: Re: I am moving to Dubai Date: 7/19/2013 6:10 AM
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I wonder if this would be sufficient motivation for most Americans to lose weight? I'm guessing not...

Why would you make this guess??

The Biggest Loser (and all other iterations) demonstrates that, at least, in the short term folk can commit to losing *weight* if it's important enough.

How to make it important enough in the long term is the real question to ask.....

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Author: legalwordwarrior Big funky green star, 20000 posts Old School Fool Add to my Favorite Fools Ignore this person (you won't see their posts anymore) Number: 58081 of 58627
Subject: Re: I am moving to Dubai Date: 7/19/2013 9:03 AM
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How to make it important enough in the long term is the real question to ask.....

I thought that was what she was asking? Would $45 a pound be enough of an incentive for you to lose weight?

Honestly, I'd say probably not in America, because while there are those who try out and compete in shows like the Biggest Loser, most would prefer to just sit in their livingrooms and watch it unfold on t.v.

And given that we all either know or have heard stories about folks who were told that their unhealthy lifestyle would kill them, yet they continue on that path, I would assert that like everything else, weightloss has to have an internal trigger for the individual that makes it worth it.

LWW

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Author: VeeEnn Big gold star, 5000 posts Old School Fool Add to my Favorite Fools Ignore this person (you won't see their posts anymore) Number: 58082 of 58627
Subject: Re: I am moving to Dubai Date: 7/19/2013 1:44 PM
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...And given that we all either know or have heard stories about folks who were told that their *OUR* unhealthy lifestyle would kill them,......

But that's maybe not *YOU*....or *ME*......correct??...


Vivienne....

Hating *unhealthy lifestyles since I knew what they were*

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Subject: Re: I am moving to Dubai Date: 7/19/2013 2:28 PM
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But that's maybe not *YOU*....or *ME*......correct??...


Vivienne....

Hating *unhealthy lifestyles since I knew what they were*


I can honestly say I have never been told that I needed to change my lifestyle. However, my mom was told to alter her diet and take medication for diabetes, and I have several friends who were warned about drinking and smoking, but continued to engage in those acts. One of them didn't develop lung cancer himself, but his non-smoking wife ended up dying from it. He then continued to smoke until he eventually died from emphysema.

LWW

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Subject: Re: I am moving to Dubai Date: 7/19/2013 7:47 PM
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I think that would absolutely be enough to get most Americans to lose weight. I do not think it would be enough to have them keep it off. I think it would be better if it lasted longer, or had additional bonuses for weight kept off for six months to a year. That would be enough time for some of the changes people made to become habit so not all of them would re-gain it in a matter of weeks. Some would, of course, but I think a year long program would yield better long term results.

DEG

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Subject: Re: I am moving to Dubai Date: 7/19/2013 9:25 PM
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Why would you make this guess??

The Biggest Loser (and all other iterations) demonstrates that, at least, in the short term folk can commit to losing *weight* if it's important enough.

How to make it important enough in the long term is the real question to ask.....


Personally, I suspect the public nature of it has a lot more to do with it than the money on the Biggest Loser.

When I wrote that, I was thinking about the many, many people who sign up for year-long memberships at the health club... then don't go (thereby wasting their money). Or the many people who sign up and prepare for Jenny Craig, Weight Watchers, etc., and then drop out, thereby wasting their money. Or all the people who are offered a discount on their health insurance to lose weight or stop smoking... who don't do it.

Maybe being paid in gold works better. I don't know. My opinion, my guess was all.

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Subject: Re: I am moving to Dubai Date: 7/19/2013 11:23 PM
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Would $45 a pound be enough of an incentive for you to lose weight?

Well, it was $45 per kilogram so a bit different. :)

If it is $45 per pound then where is my $1710?


Peace & the Metric System,

R

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Author: VeeEnn Big gold star, 5000 posts Old School Fool Add to my Favorite Fools Ignore this person (you won't see their posts anymore) Number: 58087 of 58627
Subject: Re: I am moving to Dubai Date: 7/20/2013 5:02 AM
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I think that would absolutely be enough to get most Americans to lose weight. I do not think it would be enough to have them keep it off. I think it would be better if it lasted longer, or had additional bonuses for weight kept off for six months to a year. That would be enough time for some of the changes people made to become habit so not all of them would re-gain it in a matter of weeks.

I was at a lecture a few years ago given by someone who had an interesting take on this. She had a practice that specialised in treating morbidly obese "resistant" dieters (i.e. folk who perceived that they couldn't lose weight and were contemplating bariatric surgery)

This wasn't just your regular weight loss clininc but had a whole slew of psychologists, exercise physiologists on board etc. so folk who were candidates were given a whole battery of tests and put on a diet/exercise regimen designed to get them to lose 10% of their bodyweight over about 3 months then be in a 3 month maiontenance phase.....but continuing with the psychological counselling etc. Then 3 months to lose 10% of the new body weight and 3 months maintenance etc. etc. She recokoned that the planned maintenance phases were partly to accomodate the inevitable plateaus in weight loss and also to get used to a new "normal" and make a few behavioural changes.

She claimed that the folk who joined the programme and stuck with it .....sometimes for as long as 5 years....did better at maintaning weight loss than "average" (but I guess she would) I think part of it might be her self selected population......those looking for raapid weight loss or who couldn't afford to do it wouldn't sign up in the first place.....but her main point was that anyone who's offering an easy solution to a complex problem usually has it wrong.

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Subject: Re: I am moving to Dubai Date: 7/20/2013 9:40 AM
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I'll be honest, $45 a kilgogram is not enough for me to lose. With only about 20 lbs as my goal to reach my ideal weight, that's just not enough return. The health benefits on the other hand...

LWW

still plugging away, now with two screwed up feet.

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Subject: Re: I am moving to Dubai Date: 7/20/2013 9:53 AM
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She claimed that the folk who joined the programme and stuck with it .....sometimes for as long as 5 years....did better at maintaning weight loss than "average" (but I guess she would) I think part of it might be her self selected population......those looking for raapid weight loss or who couldn't afford to do it wouldn't sign up in the first place.....but her main point was that anyone who's offering an easy solution to a complex problem usually has it wrong.

This center in Houston does something similar. Lots of counseling before, during and after to try to get to the root of the problem.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Medicine

LWW

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Subject: Re: I am moving to Dubai Date: 7/20/2013 2:23 PM
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"but her main point was that anyone who's offering an easy solution to a complex problem usually has it wrong. "

If only people could understand this, a lot of industries built upon separating people from their money would crumble.

I have said this before, but having gestational diabetes is what finally made the difference for me. And it wasn't about motivation at all. When I got diagnosed with GD, I met with a nutritionist to discuss how to control my blood sugar with diet. Because this was for the health of my baby, I didn't feel like I had a choice. Of course I was going to do this. I was not trying to lose weight, but because of following the dietary guidelines, I did. I ended up weighing less the day I went to deliver than the day I got pregnant.

I then stuck with it and lost another 60 or so pounds. I could still stand to lose more to be at a healthy BMI, but I have kept that weight off, with the exception of having another baby, for almost 6 years. It was not motivation or knowledge that changed. It was feeling capable. After sticking to the new way of eating for three months, what changed was knowing that I could. Having been overweight my whole life and obese from very early on, I had never felt capable before.

DEG

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Author: legalwordwarrior Big funky green star, 20000 posts Old School Fool Add to my Favorite Fools Ignore this person (you won't see their posts anymore) Number: 58094 of 58627
Subject: Re: I am moving to Dubai Date: 7/21/2013 2:39 PM
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After seeing this, I'm thinking it's not worth moving to Dubai at any price:


http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/07/21/19596546-norwe...

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