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Subject: Re: Luther on the Papacy Date: 10/7/2001 11:04 PM
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I am not concerned about Luther's personal problems. Many great thinkers of the past had personal and psychological problems. That shouldn't take away in any sense from the good things they did and said. It only reveals the devastating effects that sin has on man.

Yeah, Luther had his problems, so what?


Umm, since Luther's "problems" (in my book, anyway) included a desire to burn down the houses of Jews, compared them to a disease to be ruthlessly excised, etc., and considered all of this part of his Christian duty...doesn't that give you a pause?

If I'm remembering correctly, he also believed he had personally fought Satan...even to the point of throwing the contents of his chamber pot at the devil, who had arrived in person to tempt ol' M.L. Except the German term Luther used is one that would not meet TMF's community standards, if you get my drift. Manchester says that in many Lutheran texts in English this has been bowdlerized in translation to "ink from his ink well."

It seems that you want to say that when Luther is leading the Reformation, he's a genius, but when he preaches specific acts of violence he's got "personal problems." If so, that's absolute baloney.

He was also a genius and began, with God's help and direction, a Reformation that was needed. Think where the Roman Catholic church would have been had not men like Luther had the courage to do what they did.

Rick


Probably extinct...If not for the threat of Luther and his ideas, there's no way Ignatius Loyola would've gotten 2 seconds of the time of whichever corrupt pope agreed to allow the Jesuits. And, without their steadying influence I think it's fair to say the Catholic Church would've gone the way of the do-do bird. (Of course, the Jesuits of today are quite a different matter...they're far from the "Marines of Catholicism" [as an old teacher of mine used to refer to them] that they used to be. But, that's a post for a different time.) The Catholic Church was probably about to collapse under its own weight, Luther or no Luther. If not for the Jesuits, I'll bet it would've. (Manchester is as unsparing of the various popes who reigned during Luther's life as he was of Luther, FWIW.)

G'night.

IJL





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