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Subject: Re: Contradiction? Gun ownership v. Military bud Date: 1/23/2013 4:01 PM
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I apologize if I offended you. My comment is directed at people I consider gun nuts, and hopefully you are not one.

I don't think that we should ban AR15s. I don't think we should ban all semi-automatic weapons. I don't think that banning 11 round magazines will prevent or mitigate a single mass murder. Those positions land me solidly in the "gun nut" camp according to many of the posts I've read here on the Fool.

Do you feel you need a gun to protect you from government tyranny?

I believe that an armed citizenry contributes to our protection from Government overreach and tyranny*

Do you feel that the proliferation of guns and loose gun laws are making us safer?

What proliferation of guns? Didn't someone recently post stats demonstrating that gun ownership has been in decline for decades?

What loose gun laws? I don't accept your characterization that our gun laws are currently "loose."

I stand by my statement though when it comes to so many of the people that I talk to regarding firearms and reforms. The folks who think the government is out to get them, the folks that think that any gun reform means Obama is coming for all their guns, the folks that think the answer to spree shootings is to arm everybody; these people are nuts.

I don't think that the answer to spree shootings involves banning AR15s. Does that make me nuts? Many posters here seem to think so. It's not that I reject "any gun reform" but I absolutely reject gun reform that appears to be entirely symbolic or opportunistic.

I echo Ziege19's sentiment: "The recent gun control uproar has been very depressing to me. I've watched close friends who are liberals begin acting like -ack- Republicans. The same disregard of facts and details, the same assumptive Everyone Already Knows attitude, the same "if you disagree you must hate babies" garbage."

* In regards to that point, I don't believe the question raised in this thread is truly a contradiction because our "biggest military in the world" is comprised of soldiers who are also part of that armed citizenry. It's a snarky argument, and I see why it would be fun to laugh about, but I don't think it's a sincere question that poses any sort of intellectual dilemma for a Second Amendment advocate. We might look to the law enforcement offers who have publicly stated refusal to enforce any gun confiscation or control measures they deem unconstitutional to help inform our predictions of how the enlisted members of our military might react to an order to raise arms against their fellow citizens.
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