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Author: WonderPup Big gold star, 5000 posts Feste Award Nominee! Old School Fool Add to my Favorite Fools Ignore this person (you won't see their posts anymore) Number: of 30311  
Subject: I blame Nitpicker Date: 1/29/2003 11:46 PM
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My road to learning about low-carbing has been a long and twisted one.

I first heard of Dr. Atkins about 4 years ago. A partner at my firm that I was friends with went on the Atkins diet. Having never heard of it, I searched out the web that afternoon. "Absurd," I thought. "Nothing but fatty meat. I hope he gets a volume deal with an angioplasty specialist." Sure, this partner ended up losing some weight, but there's no way that could be healthy, of course.

Later on, I discovered the Fool. Since sooner or later, any imaginable topic will eventually rise on LBYM, the subject of diets came up. I don't remember the details of the discussion any more, but I had this vague recollection of someone bringing up the low-carb diet. "Hmm, one of THOSE people," I thought.

A while later, the topic rose again, and sure enough, out of the woodwork pops this person. EditorialWe, her name was. "She must be insane," I thought. "She's actually going to try to defend this low-carb diet thing? Everyone knows Atkins will knock you dead of a heart attack." And--get this--she actually had the gall to post links to actual scientific research. Pshaw. Whatever nutty, extremist link she provided clearly must have been bunk. Didn't bother to read it.

Slowly, over the course of perhaps a year or so, the topic would come up. Sometimes on LBYM, sometimes on FFF, sometimes on NADA. It seems like every time the topic of low carbing came up, there she was, throwing links left and right. "Fine," I said. "I'll amuse her. I'll actually read this garbage and find the holes in it."

Now, the infuriating thing is that she just plain didn't fight fair. This is the internet after all. Who in the hell posts links to scientific research? Everyone knows that to prove your point, you need to find some extremist website and cite them as gospel. Who did EditorialWe think she was, citing research papers instead of some site that was out to convince us that Hitler mandated that the Jews be fed a high-carb diet, or that high-carb diets would cause you to grow a third eye in your forehead, or other internet message board worthy stuff like that? Everyone knows its unfair to try to pull out facts in a message board argument. Sheez.

Sometime last year, EditorialWe disappeared and a new standard bearer for the cause arose... some Nitpicker person. "This is nice," I thought. "EditorialWe now has a friend on her side." Well, until I realized it was the same person. And of course, she kept up her efforts of fighting with articles and research, and over time, I kept reading more and more of them.

The final straw was a debate on NADA over Thanksgiving. Ahh, yes, I'd been slowly coming to terms that maybe low-carbing wasn't evil incarnate, but surely, it couldn't be good for you.

And I kept reading.

And I finally decided I'd prove her wrong using my own little experiment.

December 1, 2002, I started a low carb diet, having read through all of the Atkins website, and finishing off Protein Power. "Well," I thought, "if there's anything to this, maybe I can unload some of these pounds. But I've dieted before... I know I'll just lose 5-10 pounds, plateau off, and give up since it doesn't seem to be helping."

Well, dammit, now I'm utterly convinced that Nitpicker isn't playing fair. Because not only did she keep posting all these links to research instead of hype like a bad, bad internet message boarder...but somehow, my expectations of low-carbing haven't come true.

I expected to lose 5-10 pounds and have insane cravings for breads and potatos. Instead, I have just hit the 20 pounds lost mark. That I have more energy and no longer have my daily energy crash from about 1-3pm is clearly just a coincidence, too.

Hrrrmph. I'll show her. I'm sure it will be different if I just keep on this diet. Sooner or later I'll stop losing weight... even if it is when I pop out of existence.

--WP


PS: In all seriousness, thanks for all the great links over the past year. I was probably as closed-minded to the idea of low-carbing as they come. What I used to see as near religious fervor has dissipated as I keep reading the research that's been linked here, and with the empirical evidence I've seen on myself, I'm a believer in the science behind it. This is the best I've felt in years--my lowest weight in about 3 years, and the most energy I've had in quite a while. So, a special thanks to Nitpicker for all the info she's provided. More than worthy of being added to my faves list.

But really, Nitpicker. You do need to go out and find a good Hitler link for your cause. This is the internet. Get with the program.

--WP, 285/265/225
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Author: cyberisme Big gold star, 5000 posts Old School Fool Add to my Favorite Fools Ignore this person (you won't see their posts anymore) Number: 4565 of 30311
Subject: Re: I blame Nitpicker Date: 1/30/2003 8:20 AM
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WOOO HOOOO!

Congratulations.

Isn't it just amazing when you find something that makes you step back and think....


"Why in the world haven't I been doing this all along?"


(applies to LBYM, debt free living and low carb eating!!)

C.

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Author: TheNitpicker Big red star, 1000 posts Old School Fool Add to my Favorite Fools Ignore this person (you won't see their posts anymore) Number: 4598 of 30311
Subject: Re: I blame Nitpicker Date: 1/30/2003 2:03 PM
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awwwwww, shucks.

Blaming Nitpicker - always a good option. Things usually ARE my fault. Just ask my boss. Or my husband. :-)

Isn't it interesting how the thrashes over low-carb have changed over the years. It used to be one or two people arguing against the world. Now, when there's a thrash, I hardly need to run over and jump in because 10 or 12 people are in there ahead of me in support of low-carb. It's nice to know that minds DO eventually change!

Glad it's been working out well for you. I hope you'll stick around this board -- and stick up for low-carb next time it comes up on LBYM!

Who did EditorialWe think she was, citing research papers instead of some site that was out to convince us that Hitler mandated that the Jews be fed a high-carb diet, or that high-carb diets would cause you to grow a third eye in your forehead, or other internet message board worthy stuff like that?

Now THERE'S an idea! I don't know of any such board, but I feel strangely motivated to create one now.

Thanks for the laugh - and the good wishes.

np


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Author: synchronicity Big funky green star, 20000 posts Top Favorite Fools Old School Fool Add to my Favorite Fools Ignore this person (you won't see their posts anymore) Number: 4601 of 30311
Subject: Re: I blame Nitpicker Date: 1/30/2003 2:37 PM
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[emailed and posted]

Congrats! Glad to hear it's working for you.

We recently returned from a trip to New Zealand. Lamb and seafood everywhere, as well as a fair amount of dairy products. The only tough part was sticking to drinking small amounts of superb Sauvignon Blanc. Other than that, easy to keep to a low carb diet.

Oh, and my wife has been low carbing since mid-August, has lost about 20 pounds, and is about 10-15 pounds away from weighing the same amount she did in her early 20's. Gee, it's been real tough watching her get in such good shape. :-)

-synchronicity

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Author: WonderPup Big gold star, 5000 posts Feste Award Nominee! Old School Fool Add to my Favorite Fools Ignore this person (you won't see their posts anymore) Number: 4602 of 30311
Subject: Re: I blame Nitpicker Date: 1/30/2003 3:21 PM
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We recently returned from a trip to New Zealand. Lamb and seafood everywhere, as well as a fair amount of dairy products. The only tough part was sticking to drinking small amounts of superb Sauvignon Blanc.

The great thing about a place like NZ is you can get some different meats in your diet than you tend to get here. Venison is more readily available there (though I personally get plenty of that living in a state where shooting Bambi is a state holiday... I don't hunt, but get plenty of gifts from those who do). I also remember having a delicious emu steak when I was in Nelson, NZ. And, of course, lamb is everywhere, as you state.

The Sauv Blancs are good there, aren't they? In fact, all the whites there are pretty good. Did you make it to Marlborough (NE tip of the S island)? We went scooting about the vineyards there. Some outstanding whites. All the reds were sludge.

Anyone: If you ever have an opportunity to head to NZ, do it. It's wonderful.

--WP

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Author: synchronicity Big funky green star, 20000 posts Top Favorite Fools Old School Fool Add to my Favorite Fools Ignore this person (you won't see their posts anymore) Number: 4613 of 30311
Subject: Re: I blame Nitpicker Date: 1/30/2003 5:29 PM
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<< We recently returned from a trip to New Zealand. Lamb and seafood everywhere, as well as a fair amount of dairy products. The only tough part was sticking to drinking small amounts of superb Sauvignon Blanc. >>

The great thing about a place like NZ is you can get some different meats in your diet than you tend to get here. Venison is more readily available there (though I personally get plenty of that living in a state where shooting Bambi is a state holiday... I don't hunt, but get plenty of gifts from those who do). I also remember having a delicious emu steak when I was in Nelson, NZ. And, of course, lamb is everywhere, as you state.


We didn't have any venison, although we saw a venison farm/ranch whatever while driving. Didn't have any emu, either. Ate plenty of mussels.

The Sauv Blancs are good there, aren't they? In fact, all the whites there are pretty good. Did you make it to Marlborough (NE tip of the S island)? We went scooting about the vineyards there. Some outstanding whites. All the reds were sludge.

Spectacular. The first time I had a glass (while eating "crayfish", aka rock lobster) I was astounded, thought someone had dropped a piece of fruit into the wine. It had a strong fruit taste but was not sweet. Great stuff. Allegedly the Pinot Noir is becoming a hit, but I'm unconvinced.

We spent four days on the North Island, hit Paihia at the Bay of Islands, also took a ferry to Russell. Spent two days at a friend's place in Auckland (Mt. Eden) but never went into downtown, instead did a day trip to Coromandel. Then flew south to Christchurch, and drove from there to Kaikoura, where we spent four more days. If you've never been, Kaikoura is one of the most beautiful places on Earth. They have whale watching there as well as swims with the dolphins and a seal colony. We did drive up to Blenheim and hit the Montana Brancott Winery for a tour and a tasting, didn't stop at any others, tho'. Also bought food at a grocery store in Blenheim and made some meals in our motel (had a kitchenette), where we took our meal out on the balcony and looked at the ocean literally across the street from us. Rough life. :-) Toughest part was adjusting to the turn signal being on the wrong side in the car (unlike the Brits, who drive on the left but have the turn signal on the left, NZ has it on the right. I kept turning on my windshield wipers everytime I wanted to signal)

Anyone: If you ever have an opportunity to head to NZ, do it. It's wonderful.

Ditto. I'm guessing Pup and I could list the places we stayed and have very little overlap. You could spend a few months there and not run out of places to visit or things to do. And the entire country is gorgeous and has some of the nicest, most polite people you'll ever meet. If I were unattached I might have stayed there.

-synchronicity

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Subject: Re: I blame Nitpicker Date: 1/31/2003 12:13 AM
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WonderPup:

I must thank you composing such a fine post and all those who rec'ed it.
The "Best of" list is usually very depressing. However in this case it guided me to this board.

I started off on a low carb diet recently...and here I am 8 kilos (16 pounds?) lighter, with no desire anymore for those afternoon naps.

Best Wishes to All

libra



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Author: DeltaDog2 Big red star, 1000 posts Old School Fool Add to my Favorite Fools Ignore this person (you won't see their posts anymore) Number: 4646 of 30311
Subject: Re: I blame Nitpicker Date: 1/31/2003 12:57 PM
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Nitpicker - I too want to thank you for all your wisdom, links, posts, etc. and especially your willingness to tirelessly stick up for low carb!!

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