I can't help but wonder about your last response. You're mixing up Zambuto equipped dobs and entry level Orion Dobs. Besides, that guy is obviously talking about all those large Dobs... usually larger than 12 inches. Also they're the ones you have to put together to set them up. Many times those things won't get used because it's a hassle to set them up. Can you imagine trying to have one of those as your only scope? I don't think so. They are certainly great to look through. No way I'd want one as my only scope. I'm not sure I'd want one that I had to stand on a ladder to look into. Also you're talking about the cost of a good refractor. Then you won't allow the 4 inch DGM reflector to be considered in the same category? You've seen the reviews...it certainly can compete with the best refractors while being a reflector. At a fraction of the cost. Now Ed Ting isn't crazy about the DGM... he tries to be fair about it. But he is obviously a refractor man....Obviously. Then you mention Ed's recommendation of Orion's XT8. His recommendation is for a beginner telescope. He never pretends to categorize Orion with any Zambuto mirrored telescope... A different category all together. That XT8 or larger Orion seems great to get started with. My personal opinion of large Dobs. ( I mean larger than...lets say ten inches and not the Orions) is: They are great. But no way could they be the only scope a person owns. They're just too much hassle. The best scope is the one that gets used. Convenience also means alot when someone is starting...leave them with a hassle everytime they set up....and they quit setting up. Ron
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