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I want to see the numbers and play with them myself. Show me some numbers, Dave.

See, it's this kind of raw challenge that makes discussion so difficult. Why is DAVE the only one proving his premise? Sure, Ray is attempting to prove his premise--and working darn hard at it, to his credit--but why don't YOU go out there and do some legwork, too? Instead, you just demand, and don't even say please. How were you raised, anyway?
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