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Subject: Re: Atheism and Objective Moral Values Date: 4/19/2009 8:30 PM
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I would, but I think we're not on the same page yet. See if my previous post fixed that.

Nope. Apparently my reply didn't fix it either.



Reworking it a bit, I come up with this counterfactual hypothetical:

If you found out that God commands humanity to wipe itself out, would you start killing everyone you could?

If that is ok with you, then it should be obvious that the the antecedent ("If you found out . . .") is false.

Its not because I know God's moral nature so well, but because I'm pretty sure he hasn't commanded such a thing.


Which is why the hypothetical specified you find out in the future:

http://boards.fool.com/Message.asp?mid=27584574 "A God who appeared ten minutes in the future and declared that [x] was moral would meet every criteria of this understanding of morality, regardless of whether [x] was to slaughter all firstborn children by burning them alive or love your neighbor as yourself."

Which led to nit-picking about unchanging nature vs. commands and such, which I then modified. But you still find out some arbitrary point in the future...I think I made it even clearer at some point...yup:

http://boards.fool.com/Message.asp?mid=27612743

you: what circumstances would lead me to make a radical reanalysis of God's nature?

me: God appearing to every sentient being in the universe and communicating this convincingly - whatever it would take to convince you. I've used the hypothetical several times. ( http://boards.fool.com/Message.asp?mid=27587734 or http://boards.fool.com/Message.asp?mid=27584574 , for example.)

I'll even grant you a solid assumption that God has never communicated this to any human being up to this point. What's your answer?
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