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Subject: Re: Meyers Marshall debate Date: 12/12/2013 12:08 PM
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I'm interested in a verified prediction. Until you have that, you have nothing (from a science standpoint).

Now, as Nigel said, if you want to talk philosophically, that's another matter. We can wax philosophical all day, and it's fine. But when you attempt to claim ID as a science then certain criteria MUST be met. And they aren't. (At least not yet.)

The rebuttal did not explain how ID is different from creationism when all they did was replace the words. Everything else remained the same. They claim the former is "science", but it has yet to meet a single standard demanded of a theory by science. Give me a verified prediction. Everything else is just chatter (from a science standpoint).

I'm not yelling at you, Brian. I'm yelling at the ID establishment. Put up or shut up. Don't write more books, don't toss out logical fallacies in debates and expect me to lap them up. Give me a tested and verified prediction using ID. Something evolution missed. Evolution has numerous verified predictions. It has become the foundation of modern biology. ID has done nothing but get legislatures to waste a lot of time and cheat a lot of kids out of a decent science education.

And ideally, ID should get it published in a respected journal like Nature.
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