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Subject: Re: My Meeting with the AmEx guy Date: 2/26/2004 10:03 PM
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I'm posting rather late on this one it seems but I would highly recommend you review the "parents burned" threads...

http://boards.fool.com/Message.asp?mid=19550927&sort=whole#19563147

Perhaps not everyone at Amex is bad but I am in a legal battle with Amex over the surrender fees associated with my parents accounts. I have over 4 inches thick of documentation associated with them and am getting ready to file everything with the NAIC, NASD, and SEC as well as our attorney.

Here's the class action lawsuit being drawn against Amex because of "questionable" practices let by attorney Jon Drucker.

http://www.amexsux.com/complaintAEFA.pdf

I can't emphasize enough and recommend that you do take over the finances. The initial setup may be hard but after that you pretty much just let it ride and rebalance every year or so. It's just not hard. So my advice is to TAKE OVER THOSE FINANCES! YOU DON'T NEED NO STINKING PLANNER!

A decent book and overview for you and can be read in an afternoon or two. First chapter: FIRE YOUR FINANCIAL ADVISOR!

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0393058549/qid=1077850911/sr=1-2/ref=sr_1_2/002-3776376-4648840?v=glance&s=books


Here's another article that might interest you as well. It's from February 9th's wall street journal:

Financial Plans: Selling
For In-House Gains?
By RUTH SIMON
Staff Reporter of THE WALL STREET JOURNAL
John Haritos Jr. was looking to cut his tax bills and save for retirement when he agreed to a free financial consultation with American Express Financial Advisors. Told his finances wouldn't allow him to meet his retirement goals, Mr. Haritos, 37 years old, paid $500 in July 2000 for a financial plan. Recalls Mr. Haritos: "I figured I was paying for ... unbiased advice."

He now says he figured wrong.

What did Mr. Haritos get? A laundry list of American Express products he should buy. So he moved $26,000 from a money-market fund into a brokerage account that charged a flat 1.5% a year and invested largely in high-fee mutual funds. He also transferred his $4,000 individual retirement account to American Express and rolled a life-insurance policy into an annuity run by IDS, also a unit of American Express Co. Nearly all of the investments, which generated high fees for AmEx and its advisers, fared poorly.

Mr. Haritos soon cashed out and sued the firm. American Express is contesting the charges, saying in filings with a federal court in Arizona that the written disclosures to clients "are more than enough to constitute 'storm warnings' that the Financial Plans may not be as 'objective' or 'unbiased' as supposedly represented."
Financial plans have exploded in popularity in recent years as brokers, insurance agents and other financial advisers have touted their benefits. Roughly 9.5 million households obtained a financial plan from mid-2000 to mid-2002, up from 6.6 million in a 1998 survey, according to SRI Consulting Business Intelligence, a research and consulting firm based in Menlo Park, Calif. Another 6.6 million received a retirement plan, the survey found.

Investors who sign up for financial plans believe they are getting independent advice tailored to their own needs. But in one of several "open secrets" that have been hazards for investors in this era, these plans often are little more than sales tools that stand a better chance of making money for advisers and their firm than their clients.
Critics say advisers rarely disclose that they get big bucks for directing investors to insurance products and mutual funds that provide the highest payouts, rather than offering investments that may pay the adviser less but are better-suited to the client's needs. Any information about potential conflicts is often vague at best and tucked into documents provided to investors when they are already well into the planning process.

A good financial plan can be useful to chart an investor's future, of course. But "for a number of advisers it is a marketing hook," says Matthew McGinness, an associate director with Cerulli Associates, a market-research firm.

Many financial firms that provide such plans also offer proprietary, or in-house, financial products. The potential for conflicts at American Express is intense because of its large stable of in-house mutual funds and insurance products. Proprietary products account for roughly 65% of adviser sales at AmEx, a regulatory filing says.
Many AmEx funds have been poor performers. Over the past three and five years, AmEx funds have, on average, ranked in the bottom third of all fund families, according to fund-tracker Morningstar, Inc. And AmEx receives special revenue-sharing payments from 11 outside fund families -- including AIM, Putnam, Strong and Van Kampen.

An American Express spokesman says the company has been overhauling its fund operation in the past two years in an effort to boost returns. "We are absolutely committed to improving our performance," he says. Though fund performance has improved, AmEx funds still ranked in the bottom half of all fund families in the past 12 months, according to Morningstar.

American Express Financial Advisors carries a lower profile than the firm's credit-card business, yet it accounted for roughly 24% of American Express's $26 billion in revenue and 22% of its net income last year. Fees from financial plans and other advice services accounted for just $121 million of the unit's $6.2 billion in revenue last year, according to regulatory filings. But the importance of planning to AmEx and the firm's more than 12,000 advisers is far greater: Three-quarters of total sales were generated by financial plans and advice services.
Financial advisers use the planning process to draw clients in, but they depend on product sales for their livelihood, current and former advisers say. "The financial plan is their big claim to fame. But if that's all you did, you'd starve to death," says Judy Reed, an adviser who left American Express in early 2002 after more than a decade with the company. Other former AmEx advisers say that when they presented a financial plan, they dubbed it "The Close," because of its usefulness in selling high-fee products, including proprietary funds and insurance that paid more to the salesmen -- and to the firm.

An AmEx spokesman says "financial planning is at the core of what we do" and is "the best way to serve the needs of our clients," adding that the firm's approach to financial planning is "comprehensive." While many clients buy financial plans from AmEx and then use the firm to follow its recommendations, others pay for plans and implement the suggestions elsewhere or simply buy products from the firm, the spokesman says. "It's not one size fits all."

In some cases, the pressure to sell in-house products is overt. Peggy Bigelow, a financial adviser who left American Express in 2001 after a year with the firm, says she was repeatedly criticized for recommending that her clients invest in outside mutual funds. Other former advisers say the training they received focused largely on sales techniques and the company's proprietary insurance products.

Mr. Haritos, a medical-equipment salesman in Mesa, Ariz., says he learned this lesson the hard way. When he discovered in 2001 that the investments recommended by his adviser were faring poorly, he closed the brokerage account, at a loss of roughly $14,000, or about 35% of his total investment, and moved his IRA to Charles Schwab Corp. He's still holding the annuity, however, because he doesn't want to pay a costly surrender charge.

His suit, filed in October seeking class-action status, requests the refund of all financial-planning fees plus interest, according to Jon E. Drucker, Mr. Haritos's lawyer. Mr. Haritos says his AmEx adviser, Michael Vukonich, never told him he had financial incentives for recommending AmEx proprietary products, rather than outside investments offered by other companies. Mr. Vukonich declined to comment.
Other investors say they were directed to the firm's in-house mutual funds and other proprietary investments. Pierre Gangloff, a software engineer in Boston, says he was looking for tax and investment advice when he paid $600 for a financial consultation in 2002. Mr. Gangloff says his adviser persuaded him to invest a total of more than $17,000 in a dozen different AmEx mutual funds. Mr. Gangloff also invested $500 a month in an IDS variable universal life policy and moved $8,000 from a money-market account to a less-liquid AmEx Market Strategy Certificate -- a certificate of deposit tied to the Standard & Poor's 500. "I had the impression I would be ... hiring some professional ... who would work for me to figure out the best alternatives," he says. "But they were really pushing the American Express brand."

Some AmEx customers say they didn't learn about the potential conflicts until they were well into the planning process. Douglas Parker, a computer programmer in Baltimore, paid AmEx $450 for a financial plan in 2001. Mr. Parker says his AmEx adviser then sold him disability insurance, term insurance and two variable universal life-insurance policies run by IDS. Mr. Parker also rolled over $34,000 from three retirement accounts at Charles Schwab, T. Rowe Price Group Inc. and TIAA-CREF into AmEx annuities and an AmEx brokerage account that included investments in proprietary mutual funds. Mr. Parker says he didn't receive any papers indicating that the adviser might have a conflict until after he had signed the planning agreement and rollover papers.

Says Mr. Parker: "They manage to get control of your funds before you know it."

I'm taking responsibility over there accounts now and I found something out that I had not anticipated as I too was on the hunt for a financial advisor...it's not that hard. It really isn't.

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