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Author: jerylander Add to my Favorite Fools Ignore this person (you won't see their posts anymore) Number: of 75335  
Subject: Is a new 401k Foolish? Date: 4/24/1998 10:50 AM
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As I retire from the military at 38, I will begin my new life with an excellent private company in July. One "benefit" offered is the 401k, with full employer matching contributions up to the annual max.

Perhaps I'm not Foolish enough yet but I can find no flaw in participating. Pre-Tax contributions that are doubled by the employer sound pretty good.

Should I skip the 401K and add the contributions to the Foolish 4 or keep it on the side? The second seems better to me.

Thanks,

Jim
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Subject: Re: Is a new 401k Foolish? Date: 4/24/1998 10:54 AM
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>> Perhaps I'm not Foolish enough yet but I can find no flaw in participating. Pre-Tax contributions that are doubled by the employer sound pretty good.
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You have the idea. It is definitely Foolish to contribute to a 401(k) when your employer matches 100% of your contributions, even if the investment options in the 401(k) plan aren't the ones you would choose for yourself.


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Author: bacon Three stars, 500 posts Old School Fool Add to my Favorite Fools Ignore this person (you won't see their posts anymore) Number: 3018 of 75335
Subject: Re: Is a new 401k Foolish? Date: 4/24/1998 9:18 PM
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<As I retire from the military at 38, I will begin my new life with an excellent private company in July. One "benefit" offered is the 401k, with full employer matching contributions up to the annual max.

Perhaps I'm not Foolish enough yet but I can find no flaw in participating. Pre-Tax contributions that are doubled by the employer sound pretty good.

Should I skip the 401K and add the contributions to the Foolish 4 or keep it on the side? The second seems better to me.>

Run the numbers. A 100% return on your money is tough to beat, and that's what you get from your employer with his match up to the level at which he's willing to match (I suggest your revisit that with him, too--matching to the full amount _you're_ allowed to contribute is unusual--more usual is an employer's match up to 6% of your salary, which usually is well below your maximum annual contribution). If you can get better than 100% elsewhere, than you should invest elsewhere.

For discussion, assume that your employer will only match to 6% of your salary. Then as you increase your contributions toward your maximum, the return represented by your employer's match decreases. When that return equals what you can get elsewhere (e.g., a BTD variant of, say, 25%) then any further contributions are better made toward the BTD variant.

Hope this helps.

Eric Hines


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Author: TMFPixy Big gold star, 5000 posts Add to my Favorite Fools Ignore this person (you won't see their posts anymore) Number: 3029 of 75335
Subject: Re: Is a new 401k Foolish? Date: 4/25/1998 11:52 AM
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Greetings, Jim, and welcome.

<<As I retire from the military at 38, I will begin my new life with an excellent private company in July. One "benefit" offered is the 401k, with full employer matching contributions up to the annual max.

Perhaps I'm not Foolish enough yet but I can find no flaw in participating. Pre-Tax contributions that are doubled by the employer sound pretty good.

Should I skip the 401K and add the contributions to the Foolish 4 or keep it on the side? The second seems better to me.>>

Around Fooldom, we believe contributing to an employer's retirement plan like a 401k to get the maximum match from that employer is a very Foolish thing to do. That's an immediate, tax deferred, riskless return on your investment that we call Found Money. Even in a mediocre 401k fund, it is tough to beat in anything else. In your case with a full match up to $10K (mighty generous, that), it can't be touched anywhere else. Forget The Foolish Four and grab it!

Regards….Pixy


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