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Author: TiftS One star, 50 posts Add to my Favorite Fools Ignore this person (you won't see their posts anymore) Number: of 196111  
Subject: Is Weird Sex Evil & Condemned? Date: 3/2/2001 2:33 PM
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We have going in here a thread about homosexuality
and as we all know the Bible seems to prohibit that
sex practice ; and we all can see how filthy it is
e.g. in anal sex.

What about other sex practices much in vogue as of
late ...

E.g. women want to try mutliple partners together
as in a gang bang with 5-50 guys (witness the famous
record breaker of 632 guys with one girl at one occasion in Dallas)

Others want to explore sex with animals which seems
clearly prohibited no matter how large a horse or
donkey's part is ... and some might not be aware
that were / are laws on the books making such a
felony as it is possible to produce an offspring from
such practices e.g. esp with sheep ... as you see
those laws began in England ... (check out how wooly
you might be if English descended)

And some pursue snakes, eels, fish , even mice to
run a track .

And today also e.g. the extreme- as sex via hand / fist
double fist / foot causing extreme expansion but 2nd
perhaps to the traffic cone.

Are NOT ...
ALL these arborrent as the reason for sex is proceation
with a life partner in God's image and so all the above
while causing e.g. extreme multiple releases are NOT
in that approved mode.... !!!!

OR ...
is anything you can imagine that causes release an
approved MODE ... ???

Many can cite verses and scriptures indicating as
we all know that single partner normal position sex
as the ONLY allowed sex ...

What do most of you TRULY think ....

And I am esp concerned that all of the above is
e.g. ON AOL , on the internet available to SMALL
children in a few clicks ... and so in few days
or week or so, having totally courrupted those small
kids forever e.g. making them BELIEVE for sure that
all of the above is NORMAL !!!!
IS IT , i think NOT !!!

IS IT, if you and your spouse agree ???? !!!!
NO or maybe ?????

Should you tell your partner if you try some of
the above ????

I would like to see a real Christian discussion
without verse quoting but instead the CURRENT reality
of what is normal and ok .... Can that ever be
formulated ????

TS
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Author: azpackrfn Three stars, 500 posts Add to my Favorite Fools Ignore this person (you won't see their posts anymore) Number: 44985 of 196111
Subject: Re: Is Weird Sex Evil & Condemned? Date: 3/2/2001 3:07 PM
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Looks like our troll is back with yet another dopple. It's frowny face time again. Buh Bhuy.

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Author: iampunha Big red star, 1000 posts Add to my Favorite Fools Ignore this person (you won't see their posts anymore) Number: 45012 of 196111
Subject: Re: Is Weird Sex Evil & Condemned? Date: 3/2/2001 8:29 PM
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We have going in here a thread about homosexuality
and as we all know the Bible seems to prohibit that
sex practice ; and we all can see how filthy it is
e.g. in anal sex.


1. We do not all know the Bible seems to prohibit "that sex practice".

2. Homosexuality is BY NO MEANS restricted to anal sex, nor is anal sex restricted to homosexuality.

What about other sex practices much in vogue as of
late ...


As of late? Are we then to ignore the past few thousand years of documented history?:-)

and some might not be aware that were / are laws on the books making such a felony as it is possible to produce an offspring from such practices e.g. esp with sheep ... as you see those laws began in England ... (check out how wooly you might be if English descended)

It is patently impossible, by normal means, to produce offspring of a sheep and a human. Perhaps in a lab such a thing might be possible.

Anyone who didn't know about it being illegal to have sex with sheep or goats . . . possibly hasn't been paying attention.

The laws began in England? I thought the Bible came before England myself, though I'm not the history major in my family.

And today also e.g. the extreme- as sex via hand / fist double fist / foot causing extreme expansion but 2nd perhaps to the traffic cone.

Dude . . . again, these are not modern-day inventions.

Are you mentioning all these things to look knowledgeable about different sex practices? I promise I'm not impressed:-)

ALL these arborrent . . .

They have nothing to do with trees. Perhaps you were looking for dendrophelia, which is concerned with the desire to have sex with trees? Or perhaps you were looking for "abhorrent", which has to do with stuff being detested?

OR ...
is anything you can imagine that causes release an approved MODE ... ???


Translation: what kind of Biblically-approved sex cause ejaculations?

Answer: what kinds of Biblically-approved sex are there? If you do it right . . . insert tab A into slot b (or however y'all like to put it), . . . I'll have to defer to those who have had Biblically-approved sex.

Which brings me to a question of mine:how do I go about getting the Bible's approval to have sex? I imagine there's a rather long line . . .

And I am esp concerned that all of the above is
e.g. ON AOL , on the internet available to SMALL
children in a few clicks ...


It was available in print far before it was available to children. Pornography in the form of physical pictures and written word has been around for . . . heck, hundreds of years.

If you use information responsibly, I don't see the problem with it being out there. And I do see a problem with punishing a few for the actions of others.

and so in few days or week or so, having totally courrupted those small kids forever e.g. making them BELIEVE for sure that all of the above is NORMAL !!!!

Would you rather they believe all sex is bad and not know about their bodies in a way such that they can understand and appreciate them and be able to take care of themselves? It seems to me that you're hinting at some form of censorship.

IS IT , i think NOT !!!

Another debate, perhaps, for another time. I think you'll have a hard time winning me over on this one.


IS IT, if you and your spouse agree ???? !!!!
NO or maybe ?????


Is sex normal? Absolutely. Prove otherwise . . . and you'll have a hard time, what with it being a marketing ploy, so obviously evident in nature . . . all that stuff.

Is anything natural or normal if you and your spouse agree? Maybe, maybe not. If my wife and I agree that beating our children is normal, does that make it so? If my wife and I agree that books are fun, does that make it so?

Should you tell your partner if you try some of
the above ????


Who are we assuming as the partner in the act?:-)

I would like to see a real Christian discussion without verse quoting but instead the CURRENT reality of what is normal and ok .... Can that ever be formulated ????

Translation: I'm asking something about the Bible, but don't use it in this response.

Damnit, I forgot not to feed the troll.

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Author: OldFatherHubbord Big red star, 1000 posts Old School Fool Add to my Favorite Fools Ignore this person (you won't see their posts anymore) Number: 46116 of 196111
Subject: Re: Is Weird Sex Evil & Condemned? Date: 3/23/2001 9:51 AM
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All sex except that which results in a child with your spouse IS Evil.

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Author: OldFatherHubbord Big red star, 1000 posts Old School Fool Add to my Favorite Fools Ignore this person (you won't see their posts anymore) Number: 46117 of 196111
Subject: Re: Is Weird Sex Evil & Condemned? Date: 3/23/2001 9:54 AM
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That was not very nice of you. How do you know that guy was the troll. Codey on the BI board once p-boxed a fellow who was not me because he was putting all my dopples into his p-box and he confused 1EON (me) with EON1 (someone else). Also, this guy doesn't sound like that eccentric fellopw who I've read here a few times before. This is a good conversation topic that folks could be interesded in.

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Subject: Re: Is Weird Sex Evil & Condemned? Date: 3/23/2001 10:11 AM
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All sex except that which results in a child with your spouse IS Evil.

So if I have with my husband and I don't get pregnant, it's evil? What a silly statement. Sex isn't evil, it's a gift from God, and I take great pleasure in that gift, as I imagine many other posters here (including yourself) do. Perhaps you mean any sex that does not occur within the boundaries of marriage is evil? Or is it any sex that doesn't have the *potential* to create a child and isn't within marriage is evil?

Would you clarify?

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Subject: Re: Is Weird Sex Evil & Condemned? Date: 3/23/2001 10:35 AM
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All sex except that which results in a child with your spouse IS Evil.

Baloney.

If I am married, and I am having sex with the hope of her getting pregnant, and she does not get pregnant, how in the world is that evil? The intent is what counts, far as I've ever been taught (by various priests and monks).

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Subject: Re: Is Weird Sex Evil & Condemned? Date: 3/23/2001 11:11 AM
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You are right, I meant potential and within the boundaries of marriage. It does not count as evil if you were trying to have a child (with your spouse) but did not succeed.

I do not take great pleasure from sex (yet) as I am not yet married and still a virgin.

I maintain though that even if sex does cause pleasure, it is as a side effect or an added bonus. It is not the reason to have it.

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Subject: Re: Is Weird Sex Evil & Condemned? Date: 3/23/2001 11:12 AM
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You are right. I was unclear. Apologies. Intent to have child is how innocents is maintained in the act.

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Subject: Re: Is Weird Sex Evil & Condemned? Date: 3/23/2001 2:13 PM
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<<All sex except that which results in a child with your spouse IS Evil. >>

Is there a scriptural reference for this or is this just your opinion!

If true then a married couple who are incapable of having children would be doing evil by having intercourse? The Bible (Paul in the NT) forbids one spouse from refusing to have sex with the other except for a time.

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Subject: Re: Is Weird Sex Evil & Condemned? Date: 3/23/2001 2:18 PM
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<<You are right, I meant potential and within the boundaries of marriage. It does not count as evil if you were trying to have a child (with your spouse) but did not succeed. >>

I think you are incorrect, a married couple having sex is not evil even if there is no possibility of a child.

I am not married so I have not looked up a lot of scriptures on this subject but it does not sound scriptural to me?


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Subject: Re: Is Weird Sex Evil & Condemned? Date: 3/23/2001 2:27 PM
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I am not married so I have not looked up a lot of scriptures on this subject but it does not sound scriptural to me?


Its not scriptural. There are other thoughts running through my head but unfortunately, they would all be perceived as attacking the person instead of the idea so I won't.

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Subject: Re: Is Weird Sex Evil & Condemned? Date: 3/23/2001 3:02 PM
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I maintain though that even if sex does cause pleasure, it is as a side effect or an added bonus. It is not the reason to have it.

What, you don't think God made sex fun for a reason? If sex were like doing your taxes, the world would be full of accountants. What a dull world that would be.

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Subject: Re: Is Weird Sex Evil & Condemned? Date: 3/23/2001 5:23 PM
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<<What, you don't think God made sex fun for a reason? If sex were like doing your taxes, the world would be full of accountants. What a dull world that would be. >>

Actually the world would probably have no people at all, not even accountants! :-)

Some people think God made harsh demands on people, I do not. I think God gave us commands because this is the best way to live. I have never been less happy because I obeyed one of God's commands. I have never been more happy because I disobeyed.

Matthew 11:29 Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. 30 For my yoke is easy and my burden is light."

I struggle being a Christian because I refuse to obey! At the times that Jesus has really been Lord of my life, living as a Christian was easy. When we kick agaist the goads or we refuse to love our brother or we allow the cares and troubles of this world to choke out our love for God or our love for each other then yes it is tough. But it is not tough because the commands are hard, what God commands he also enables. I struggle when I refuse to obey because I let my own desires come before God's commands.

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Subject: Re: Is Weird Sex Evil & Condemned? Date: 3/23/2001 6:08 PM
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"You are right. I was unclear. Apologies. Intent to have child is how innocents is maintained in the act. "

Sorry this is still wrong. For example there is nothing evil about a woman who has gone through menopause, or had a hysterectomy, having sex with her husband. In fact in that case it might well be a sin to not have sex with her husband, as the Bible says one spouse is not to withhold him/herself from the other spouse except for a limited season of prayer.

The Bible also says that the marriage bed is not defiled. And Song of Solomon makes pretty clear that pleasure is a major component of sex between married people.

What is your biblical basis for your statement?

God bless,

Rich

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Subject: Re: Is Weird Sex Evil & Condemned? Date: 3/23/2001 8:34 PM
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All sex except that which results in a child with your spouse IS Evil.

Or maybe "could result", since one doesn't always get pregnant even when it was possible. If you know you are infertile, must you be celibate even if married?

Not that I agree with either statement, just seeking clarification.




Reader99
Sex without pregnancy since 1902

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Subject: Re: Is Weird Sex Evil & Condemned? Date: 3/23/2001 8:40 PM
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I think some have the misconception that sex is not proper, unless for the purpose of conception, from the case of Onan. After Onan's childless older brother Er was put to death by God for wrongdoing, Onan was told by Judah to perform brother-in-law marriage with Er's widow Tamar. If a son was produced, he would not be the founder of Onan's family, and the firstborn's inheritance would belong to him as an heir to Er; whereas if no heir came, Onan would get the inheritance for himself. When Onan had relations with Tamar, he "wasted his semen on the earth" instead of giving it to her. This was not an act of masturbation on the part of Onan, for the account says "when he did have relations with his brother's wife" he spilled his semen. Apparently it was a case of "coitus interruptus," in which Onan purposely prevented ejaculation of his semen into Tamar's genital tract. For his disobedience to his father, his covetousness, and his sin against the divine arrangement of marriage, Onan, himself also childless, was put to death by God.-Ge 38:6-10; 46:12; Nu 26:19.

Paul though advised Christians in Corinth: "Let the husband render to his wife her due; but let the wife also do likewise to her husband. Do not be depriving each other of it, except by mutual consent for an appointed time, that you may devote time to prayer and may come together again, that Satan may not keep tempting you for your lack of self-regulation." (Romans 8:5; 1 Corinthians 7:3, 5) That's pretty clear, sex is okay between husband and wife as long as they both agree on it.

By creating mankind with strong mating instincts, God served two fine purposes. He made certain that the human race would not die out, and he also made a most loving provision for happiness.




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Author: Mikejelly One star, 50 posts Add to my Favorite Fools Ignore this person (you won't see their posts anymore) Number: 46144 of 196111
Subject: Re: Is Weird Sex Evil & Condemned? Date: 3/23/2001 8:50 PM
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"A loving doe, a graceful deer--may her (your wife's) breasts satisfy you always, may you ever be captivated by her love."--Proverbs 5:19

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Subject: Re: Is Weird Sex Evil & Condemned? Date: 3/23/2001 9:30 PM
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while proceation is a big part of sex for sure

it seems to me TOTALLY clear that GOD MEANT IT
as it truly is a huge reliever of the stress of
daily living ... etc...

Bat Boy Joe

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Subject: Re: Is Weird Sex Evil & Condemned? Date: 3/24/2001 2:02 PM
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while proceation is a big part of sex for sure

From The School at Fairfax:

Sexual intercourse=procreation.

BTW, capitalizing every letter of a particular word, if your audience knows you, does not make your point.

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Subject: Re: Is Weird Sex Evil & Condemned? Date: 3/25/2001 4:08 PM
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Politly disagreeing,

As far as I understand sex, it must be used only for the purposes of procreation with your spouse in order for it to be justified. All other uses for sex that do not involve this are evil. Therefore the couple continuing to be active after menopause is commiting sin.

Also, I do not doubt that pleasure is a component of sex, I stated that having sex for the purpose of experiencing pleasure only and not for the purpose of having a child is wicked (especialy if steps are taken to deliberatly prevent a child from being concieved by the act.

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Subject: Re: Is Weird Sex Evil & Condemned? Date: 3/25/2001 4:14 PM
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Actually, I do not know how much I really believe in infertility. Women such as Sarah who were barren at a time were made fertile when the Lord desired it. There are even cases in the world today (or so I here, [no empirical evidence to cite]) of couples where one or both members were presumed sterile but who later became pregnant. I think as long as the couple is willing to believe in the possability of child bareing, they do not comit any sin by trying to have a child eventhough thye doctor says it is not possable.

I do believe though that they just like a fertile couple would be guilty of sin if performing sex without the intent of having a child.

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Subject: Re: Is Weird Sex Evil & Condemned? Date: 3/25/2001 4:23 PM
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<As far as I understand sex>

Not so politly disagreeing, You may not have a good understanding! :-)

OFH,
? <having sex for the purpose of experiencing pleasure only>. What if the purpose is giving pleasure? Do you have any scripture to back up your point of view?

I am no expert either! But I cannot see the same God who had the Song of Solomon included in the scriptures as decreeing "sex for any purpose other than procreation is evil". By the way The Song of Solomon never mentions children. He is the creator, he set it up as a pleasurable act. He could also declare it evil, but I know of no instance where He did? I know many instances where preachers have perverted the scriptures to say that sex was evil. You are not doing that, you are simply not quoting any!

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Subject: Re: Is Weird Sex Evil & Condemned? Date: 3/25/2001 4:26 PM
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Wait a second...
When I was married, my wife could not have children, but we had sex. Were we sinning? I don't think so.
"the marriage bed is undefiled". I take that to mean we have liberty concerning sex inside the marriage.

every time you eat something, is it strictly for nourishment?

Michael

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Subject: Re: Is Weird Sex Evil & Condemned? Date: 3/25/2001 4:28 PM
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Hmmm,

You'll have to give me till tomorrow so I can re-read the song of solomon tonight.

Thanks for the ref.

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Subject: Re: Is Weird Sex Evil & Condemned? Date: 3/25/2001 4:29 PM
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<<I think as long as the couple is willing to believe in the possability of child bareing, they do not comit any sin by trying to have a child eventhough thye doctor says it is not possable>>

Well in that case, if I am ever blessed by getting married, I hope I can keep the faith till I am 90 or better! ..... :-)

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Subject: Re: Is Weird Sex Evil & Condemned? Date: 3/25/2001 4:30 PM
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"every time you eat something is it strictly for nourishment?"


Absolutly!!!
what other reason is there to eat?


Oh okay, I do eat chocolate for reasons other than nourishment, but I am a falible human being.

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Subject: Re: Is Weird Sex Evil & Condemned? Date: 3/25/2001 4:32 PM
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Me too :)sss

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Subject: Re: Is Weird Sex Evil & Condemned? Date: 3/25/2001 4:43 PM
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Oh okay, I do eat chocolate for reasons other than nourishment, but I am a falible human being.


In our Lord's grand design, He gave us taste buds. We do not need taste buds to properly feed and maintain our bodies. My point is, the next time you eat some chocolate ( me, too), it can be simply for the sheer pleasure of it. We can not, however, eat soley for pleasure.

Michael

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Subject: Re: Is Weird Sex Evil & Condemned? Date: 3/25/2001 7:18 PM
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As far as I understand sex, it must be used only for the purposes of procreation with your spouse in order for it to be justified. All other uses for sex that do not involve this are evil. Therefore the couple continuing to be active after menopause is commiting sin.

As far as I understand evil, it has nothing to do with sex.

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Subject: Re: Is Weird Sex Evil & Condemned? Date: 3/25/2001 10:23 PM
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As far as I understand sex, it must be used only for the purposes of procreation with your spouse in order for it to be justified. All other uses for sex that do not involve this are evil. Therefore the couple continuing to be active after menopause is commiting sin.

If they are open to the possibility of conception, what's wrong with post-menopausal sexual intercourse?

Not that it would be anyone's business but theirs and God's:-)


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Subject: Re: Is Weird Sex Evil & Condemned? Date: 3/25/2001 10:26 PM
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In our Lord's grand design, He gave us taste buds. We do not need taste buds to properly feed and maintain our bodies. My point is, the next time you eat some chocolate ( me, too), it can be simply for the sheer pleasure of it. We can not, however, eat soley for pleasure.

1. I would argue that one reason we're given taste buds is that some foods that are poisonous taste really, really bad. Brussel sprouts, for example:-D

2. I don't know about you, but I am entirely capable of eating something simply because I want to.

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Subject: Re: Is Weird Sex Evil & Condemned? Date: 3/26/2001 1:40 AM
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"You'll have to give me till tomorrow so I can re-read the song of solomon tonight. "

In the mean time, maybe you could tell us what scriptures lead to you to your view?

As far as infertility goes, I assure you a woman who has had a hysterectomy is infertile.

God bless,

Rich

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Subject: Re: Is Weird Sex Evil & Condemned? Date: 3/26/2001 6:19 AM
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Michael

Sorry, some are asking about my name. Kenny is my "Foolish" handle. Michael is my first name.


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Subject: Re: Is Weird Sex Evil & Condemned? Date: 3/26/2001 6:25 AM
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you are right about using taste buds for more than simply tasting, i.e. rotten or spoiled food detection.
I do not believe that any of our God given senses are only for survival.

Smell a rose. What physical benefit do we gain from that?

Michael

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Subject: Re: Is Weird Sex Evil & Condemned? Date: 3/27/2001 1:29 PM
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Alright, I finished Solomons song.
Perhaps my view is based more on doctrine than on scripture. Are you folks telling me that it is morraly alright for me to have sex with my wife (when I get married) when she asks even if the intent to have a child is not there? Is then taking steps to prevent a pregnancy from occuring now morraly justified? I poisted something on the abortion right or wrong board that states why I think contraceptions are evil. (no scripture reference for it either[in my post])

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Subject: Re: Is Weird Sex Evil & Condemned? Date: 3/27/2001 2:56 PM
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"Are you folks telling me that it is morraly alright for me to have sex with my wife (when I get married) when she asks even if the intent to have a child is not there? "

For Protestants, absolutely, IMO, unless you can come up with some scripture to the contrary. I believe this is also the position of Catholics, since I know they have a method of natural pregnancy-avoidance, based on closely charting the woman's fertility cycle.

"Is then taking steps to prevent a pregnancy from occuring now morally justified? "

This is not as widely agreed upon. Generally Protestants are OK with contraception. Conservatives and pro-lifers may object to certain methods, as actually being abortifacts rather than contraceptives. As I understand it Catholics still consider using artificial contraception sinful, although this seems to be one of the more violated rules among Catholics in America.

Hope this helps. I think you (future) wife will thank us one day (g).

God bless,

Rich

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Subject: Re: Is Weird Sex Evil & Condemned? Date: 3/27/2001 5:36 PM
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"Is then taking steps to prevent a pregnancy from occuring now morally justified? "

This is not as widely agreed upon. Generally Protestants are OK with contraception. Conservatives and pro-lifers may object to certain methods, as actually being abortifacts rather than contraceptives. As I understand it Catholics still consider using artificial contraception sinful, although this seems to be one of the more violated rules among Catholics in America.


Afternoon boys. For those who think sex for fun is bad, it's probably not a good idea to load others down with your laws. For those who think sex for fun is not bad, it's probably not a good idea to try to cause those with stronger consciences to do what they think is bad. Have a good evening either way.

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Subject: Re: Is Weird Sex Evil & Condemned? Date: 3/27/2001 5:48 PM
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"Are you folks telling me that it is morraly alright for me to have sex with my wife (when I get married) when she asks even if the intent to have a child is not there? "

I think people are rather tolerantly sharing their views with someone who's either tendentious, disingenuous, or obstinant.

It's up to your reason, informed by your searching, to determine what is morally proper for you to do, or not do.

Rich, with whom I'd disagree often, is not far from what I know here.

The Roman Catholic church does not require that sex acts occur only with the intent of conception. The Catechism says, for example, "[1654] Spouses to whom God has not granted children can nevertheless have a conjugal life full of meaning, in both human and Christian terms."

In other words, even if you don't or can't have children, you can have conjugal relations.

On the other hand, the church does hold that artificial barriers to conception are improper. The more cynical among us recovering Catholics summarize this as saying that, if a given method of contraception works, it's illicit.

I've known many Catholics who practiced Natural Family Planning, a system for monitoring ovulation, and who choose to refrain from sex during times when pregnancy can occur. This practice is not seen as illicit since the (theoretical and often real) possibility exists that a woman will become pregnant.

(E.g., a condom would be illicit since in theory it's an artificial barrier.)


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Subject: Re: Is Weird Sex Evil & Condemned? Date: 3/27/2001 5:59 PM
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<<Afternoon boys. For those who think sex for fun is bad, it's probably not a good idea to load others down with your laws. For those who think sex for fun is not bad, it's probably not a good idea to try to cause those with stronger consciences to do what they think is bad. Have a good evening either way. >>

I do not think anyone is trying to convince anyone to go against their conscience. I am not distressed if everyone but me on this board is celibate! :-) However the original poster condemned sex btween spouses as evil therefore we are commanded to speak.

Romans 14:16 Do not allow what you consider good to be spoken of as evil.

The brother is welcome to be celibate and to follow his conscience but not to say others are doing evil by following their conscience. This does not apply where the scriptures are clear that a certain activity is evil ... drunkeness, greed, slander, divisiveness, lying.


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Subject: Re: Is Weird Sex Evil & Condemned? Date: 3/27/2001 6:05 PM
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<<"Are you folks telling me that it is morraly alright for me to have sex with my wife (when I get married) when she asks even if the intent to have a child is not there? ">>

I am not telling you what is morally right for you. I am saying that sex between a husband and wife is not evil and that you should not condemn it! I would suggest reading all of Romans 14, here is an excerpt.

Romans 14:22 So whatever you believe about these things keep between yourself and God. Blessed is the man who does not condemn himself by what he approves. 23 But the man who has doubts is condemned if he eats, because his eating is not from faith; and everything that does not come from faith is sin

So if you think it is evil.. DO NOT DO IT ... no matter who tells you otherwise!! ( me for instance )

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