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Subject: Re: Fast and Furious - You gots to be kidding Date: 2/10/2014 12:18 AM
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It was not even close to being conservative, by any stretch of the imagination, compared to the rest of the world at that time (1700s). ~jerryjibjab

These are what we now recognize as conservative values:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed…

Yes, this was a "radical" premise at the time, but is considered VERY conservative at this time. Now Baracky & Co. is going to turn all this back until we all become servants of the state.


In the early 1200s an English monarch tried to rule by decree and run roughshod over the established rights of barons; in 1215 the liberals of the time forced him, effectively at swordpoint, to agree to the Magna Carta which protected certain rights not only of the barons but also of every freeman in England, and established that the monarch is subject to the law.

In the late 1600s an English monarch sought to gain recognition of a power to overrule acts of Parliament as well as to meddle in the affairs of a church he was not a member of, stack Parliament, disrupt the established independence of Oxford University, and violate existing law and custom in many other ways all of which involved transferring power to himself. The liberals of the time arranged to force his permanent departure from the kingdom in 1688, and his successor agreed to a substantial expansion of the legally-recognized rights of Englishmen.

In the late 1700s an English monarch, with the support of Parliament, sought to run roughshod over the English people residing in certain colonies, depriving them of both the established rights of English people and the natural privilege of running their own local affairs. The liberals of the time led a revolt, resulting in said colonies no longer owing fealty to the English monarch or to Parliament, and establishing a very limited central government.

Today an American wannabe-monarch seeks to rule by decree, overrule Congress, trample on the rights of Americans, and exercise power in matters far removed from what the government he leads is authorized to deal with. And people who claim to be liberals say that anyone who opposes this is, at best, stupid and racist.
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