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Author: fleg9bo Big funky green star, 20000 posts Top Recommended Fools Old School Fool Add to my Favorite Fools Ignore this person (you won't see their posts anymore) Number: of 19222  
Subject: It's already starting Date: 8/23/2009 2:27 PM
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The socialist programs of FDR and LBJ and GWB are now starting to implode in a visible way.

Millions face shrinking Social Security payments

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090823/ap_on_go_ot/us_social_se...

Millions of older people face shrinking Social Security checks next year, the first time in a generation that payments would not rise.

The trustees who oversee Social Security are projecting there won't be a cost of living adjustment (COLA) for the next two years. That hasn't happened since automatic increases were adopted in 1975.

By law, Social Security benefits cannot go down. Nevertheless, monthly payments would drop for millions of people in the Medicare prescription drug program because the premiums, which often are deducted from Social Security payments, are scheduled to go up slightly.
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It was good while it lasted.

--fleg
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Author: billjam Big red star, 1000 posts Old School Fool Add to my Favorite Fools Ignore this person (you won't see their posts anymore) Number: 15455 of 19222
Subject: Re: It's already starting Date: 8/23/2009 5:52 PM
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More horse pucky! First, why did the author first say millions face shrinking SS checks and then give the truth that although payments may not rise, they cannot go down. Hey, I'm disappointed I won't get an increase next year but I'm thrilled consumer prices have dropped. My savings on gasoline alone are more than I'd have gotten on average in SS increase. Second, since the Medicare drug program is administered by private insurers, how does he figure millions will see their checks drop? They may pay more for the drug insurance but it isn't coming out of their SS check. I don't know anyone who has their drug premium paid through SS. The biggest expense increase I'll have will be on my private health insurance. Something you are doing everything possible to be sure will never go down.

I saw this same scary headline and story this morning. It's just another example of slanted journalism based on twisted fact, although it's really nothing new and has been reported more rationally elsewhere. Unfortunately I'll bet a lot of people only read the scary headline. No wonder you loved it, Fleg.

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Author: Bobcatkitty Three stars, 500 posts Old School Fool Add to my Favorite Fools Ignore this person (you won't see their posts anymore) Number: 15456 of 19222
Subject: Re: It's already starting Date: 8/23/2009 6:32 PM
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billjam, here is blip from Elder Affairs in Florida about SS checks and drug plan:


Premium Payments
People with Medicare can pay their Medicare drug plan premiums in a variety of ways,
including
• mailing monthly premium payments directly to the plan,
• having the monthly premium transferred electronically from a checking or savings
account to the plan, or
• having monthly premiums deducted from their Social Security benefit.


Here is the link: http://elderaffairs.state.fl.us/shine/docs/RepayPremiumsCopa...


So you may have never heard of it happening, but that doesn't make fleg post as slanted as yours.

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Author: telegraph Big funky green star, 20000 posts Old School Fool Add to my Favorite Fools Ignore this person (you won't see their posts anymore) Number: 15457 of 19222
Subject: Re: It's already starting Date: 8/23/2009 6:36 PM
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so far, the SS Checks roll in.

Not 65 yet so no Medicare deducted.

Medicare will be based upon my income the year before I get to 65,or 2010. The more you make,the more you pay...... two or three steps....

they might change it in 2 years. Heck, you can make 120K and pay only 150 a month or so....

Well,gas goes up....food goes up.....utilities go up.....inflation is not negative......

All my restaurant meals are going up.....even McDonalds...

I can live with no SS increase for a year or two or three...don't have a choice, do I?


t.

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Author: 0x6a74 Big funky green star, 20000 posts Old School Fool Add to my Favorite Fools Ignore this person (you won't see their posts anymore) Number: 15458 of 19222
Subject: Re: It's already starting Date: 8/23/2009 6:39 PM
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People with Medicare can pay their Medicare drug plan premiums in a variety of ways,
including
• mailing monthly premium payments directly to the plan,
• having the monthly premium transferred electronically from a checking or savings
account to the plan, or
• having monthly premiums deducted from their Social Security benefit.


and (someof ?) those who by by either of the latter two get a buck or two discount... ,iirc


So you may have never heard of it happening, but that doesn't make fleg post as slanted as yours.


i guess that depends on your definition of 'Slant' ...


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.... think fleg's is MUCH more slanted.

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Author: HoracePuckey Big funky green star, 20000 posts Old School Fool Add to my Favorite Fools Ignore this person (you won't see their posts anymore) Number: 15459 of 19222
Subject: Re: It's already starting Date: 8/23/2009 7:29 PM
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i guess that depends on your definition of 'Slant' ...


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.... think fleg's is MUCH more slanted.

Yup.

Horace

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Author: telegraph Big funky green star, 20000 posts Old School Fool Add to my Favorite Fools Ignore this person (you won't see their posts anymore) Number: 15460 of 19222
Subject: Re: It's already starting Date: 8/23/2009 8:40 PM
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fleg leans toward freedom and liberty..

the ones criticizing him are lurching leftward.

You realize Chavez just had 'education reform'? Now, the kiddies will have commisars...oops, little czars that control the education process to make sure all the little kiddies become good Chavez socialists and learn about 'the Bolivian revolution' and revolutions worldwide - like in Cuba, North Korea, etc.

It didn't go down well, but, heck, when you are the tyrant in control, exalted leader for life, the 'One', then it makes no difference. You get an army of drones behind you, which you buy off, and make your own rules.

I wonder when 'the One' here starts proposing 'education reform' to make sure 'social justice' is part of every circirculum? And of course, the history of revolutionaries and socialist movements everywhere......and why America is 'always guilty' and in need of 'apologizing' for 'past sins' and making 'reparations'.

Why do libs hate themselves so much? Are so insecure?


t.

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Author: MPaquette01 Three stars, 500 posts Add to my Favorite Fools Ignore this person (you won't see their posts anymore) Number: 15461 of 19222
Subject: Re: It's already starting Date: 8/23/2009 9:27 PM
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> I can live with no SS increase for a year or two or three...
> don't have a choice, do I?

Comrade, we salute your noble sacrifice on behalf of The State to preserve the crown jewel of the socialist welfare state.

:-Q also, yuck.

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Author: temsike Big red star, 1000 posts Old School Fool Add to my Favorite Fools Ignore this person (you won't see their posts anymore) Number: 15462 of 19222
Subject: Re: It's already starting Date: 8/24/2009 12:42 PM
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tele:
<snip>You realize Chavez just had 'education reform'? Now, the kiddies will have commisars...oops, little czars that control the education process to make sure all the little kiddies become good Chavez socialists and learn about 'the Bolivian revolution' and revolutions worldwide - like in Cuba, North Korea, etc.<snip>

Every country slants their educational systems to favor those in power. Even the US and A believe it or not.

Unlike YOU tele, I've had the advantage of receiving my education from two different countries-- USA and a Latin American one. I went to primary and secondary school in both countries. I attended college and professional school in the Latin American one. Then did post-graduate training in the USA. And then I did a masters degree in the USA.

Both those countries have basic similarities and differences. Both are mainly Xian countries with White majorities. Both are democratic. The US is a center-right country and the Latin American country is center-left leaning.

The main differences is that one country is huge, rich, and the most warmongering nation in recent history with over 180 military interventions in other countries's internal affairs since the end of WWII. The other country is poorer and eliminated its armed forces over 50 years ago.

Religion and sports are other differences. In the Latin American country, religion is a social phenomena. In the USA, religion is spiritual and Americans take their religion far more seriously. The main sport of the USA is American football while the main sport of the Latin country is WORLD football.

You can imagine the differences in what both countries teach regarding history and social studies.

I prefer the Latin American country in every way EXCEPT for the fact that I can STILL make significantly more money in the USA vs the smaller country. But even that is changing.

The only reasons why I'm back in the USA is because:
#1, my two children needed to come here young so they can learn to speak English and get a good dose of "Americana" because the USA dominates both American continents but that is changing also with the rise of Brazil and South America.
#2, I'm involved in a job that I absolutely love and that generates a very nice income.

Other than that, I hate it here and can't wait to go back to the Latin country. I'm hoping to get out of Dodge next summer and take my family back to, what I consider, a far better lifestyle.

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Author: mendomann Big red star, 1000 posts Old School Fool Add to my Favorite Fools Ignore this person (you won't see their posts anymore) Number: 15463 of 19222
Subject: Re: It's already starting Date: 8/24/2009 3:47 PM
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Under an obscure "hold-harmless" provision of federal law, basic Part
B premiums in any year cannot rise higher than that year's COLA. So a
zero COLA means that the basic premium (currently $96.40 a month)
must stay the same. "The intent of the policy is to protect the
amount of the Social Security payment from being reduced by an
increase in premium costs," says Peter Ashkenaz, spokesman for the
Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services (CMS).

The hold-harmless policy gives this protection to the majority of
people enrolled in Medicare Part B who also receive Social Security,
Railroad Retirement or Civil Service retiree benefits.

But it does not apply to one in four (or about 11 million)
beneficiaries who:

* do not have their Part B premiums withheld from their Social
Security checks, or

* pay a higher Part B premium based on higher income, or

* are newly enrolled in Part B...

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Author: Grumpybiker Big gold star, 5000 posts Old School Fool Add to my Favorite Fools Ignore this person (you won't see their posts anymore) Number: 15465 of 19222
Subject: Re: It's already starting Date: 8/24/2009 8:19 PM
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The US is a center-right country

Not any more.

Grumpy

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Author: temsike Big red star, 1000 posts Old School Fool Add to my Favorite Fools Ignore this person (you won't see their posts anymore) Number: 15466 of 19222
Subject: Re: It's already starting Date: 8/24/2009 8:37 PM
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me: The US is a center-right country

grumpy: Not any more.

Get a brain dude!

"cuz Oz never did give nothing to the tinman, that he didn't, didn't already have"

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Author: 0x6a74 Big funky green star, 20000 posts Old School Fool Add to my Favorite Fools Ignore this person (you won't see their posts anymore) Number: 15467 of 19222
Subject: Re: It's already starting Date: 8/24/2009 9:09 PM
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"cuz Oz never did give nothing to the tinman, that he didn't, didn't already have"



sounds familiar ..is that from a song?



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.... don't know how one would measure the 'political set' of a country.

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Author: fleg9bo Big funky green star, 20000 posts Top Recommended Fools Old School Fool Add to my Favorite Fools Ignore this person (you won't see their posts anymore) Number: 15468 of 19222
Subject: Re: It's already starting Date: 8/24/2009 9:25 PM
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The US is a center-right country

Not any more.


We are a center-right people. Polls consistently show this. A majority of Americans don't want Obama's $9 trillion deficit left for their kids (and that's not even counting ObamaCare's additional $1-1.5 trillion). A majority don't want the public option. A majority don't want economic growth curtailed over cap-n-trade. A majority don't believe the stimulus is stimulating.

The problem is, the most rock-solid congressional districts are loony left, so the loonies end up with the most seniority. So when Dems are in the majority, we get leadership like Pelosi and Waxman and Frank, who are far, far, far to the left of the country. And moderates were so fed up with Bush that they were willing to plunge into denial and believe that Obama wouldn't try to take us much farther left than they wanted to go in spite of his history of palling around with terrorist Bill Ayers and the Reverend "God Damn America" Wright. And now they're waking up.

That's why the Dems have tried to rahm so much through so quickly--they wanted to get it done before enough people wake up to object. And that's why they won't discuss the specifics of their bills, preferring to hide things and cover it all over with platitudes and call anyone who disagrees a bad name. Because I don't like ObamaCare, I'm a mob member, a swastika-carrying Nazi, un-American and an evil monger, depending on which Dem you listen to. Did I say they're also very mature?

We'll see if they succeed. If they do, I'll be saving my SS benefits to get my health care somewhere else, where it won't be rationed.

--fleg

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Author: temsike Big red star, 1000 posts Old School Fool Add to my Favorite Fools Ignore this person (you won't see their posts anymore) Number: 15469 of 19222
Subject: Re: It's already starting Date: 8/24/2009 9:41 PM
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ox6a74:
sounds familiar ..is that from a song?

Yep. Title: Tin Man. Artist: America

"Sometimes late when things are real And people share the gift of gab between themselves....Some are quick to take the bait And catch the perfect prize that waits among the shelf....But Oz never did give nothing to the Tin Man....that he didn't, didn't already have...."

Great song. Great group.

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Subject: Re: It's already starting Date: 8/24/2009 9:49 PM
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I also forgot to mention that the Latin American country I was talking about has a two-tiered healthcare system that runs rings around the healthcare chaos of the USA.

That's another of the differences between it and the USA. I know and understand both healthcare systems very well.

My wife and I could live a nice upper middle class lifestyle in that Latin country on JUST what we pay monthly for medical insurance here in the USA.

I can't wait to get out of here!

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Subject: Re: It's already starting Date: 8/24/2009 9:52 PM
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What <<Latin American country>>

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Subject: Re: It's already starting Date: 8/24/2009 10:00 PM
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MFDnNC:
What <<Latin American country>>

Two hints:
#1. It is one of three Latin American countries who's majorities are White.

#2. They have no armed forces unless you want to count their pretty measly Coast Guard and very sparse domestic police force.

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Subject: Re: It's already starting Date: 8/24/2009 10:51 PM
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Great song. Great group.



yes. just so long ago, i'd forgotten them.


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thanks. for the memory

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